Rory Stewart on the radio this morning

Rory Stewart for all his fine words is a fucking coward, saying he would not vote against the government in a confidence vote to prevent no deal.  Shown his true colours - party and career before country - thanks for nothing Rory now you can bugger off back to obscurity

Meanwhile three years after the referendum we're still waiting for Jezza to confirm he doesn't actually touch himself thinking about Bo Jo guaranteeing the hard Brexit he's always wanted.

Lol @ Guy thinking Tories care what left wing nuts think and double heh at getting schooled by Sails so easily.

Jezza stand on brexit is a disgrace.  When have I said otherwise?

You do not have to be a "left wing nut" to realise no deal is a disaster - even Liam Fox realises it FFS. 

But he's neither a liberal nor a social democrat Dux. He may not be as much of a loon as the others, but he's still a Tory.

If he is prepared to prop up a government that is prepared to purposely inflict economic disaster he deserves to remain with the loony Tories as they inevitably sink without trace over the following decade.  The liberals should not let him in. 

You do not have to be a "left wing nut" to realise no deal is a disaster - even Liam Fox realises it FFS. 

True left wing nuts like Jeremy Corbyn actually like the idea. They need some kind of economic apocalyse to destroy the status quo so they can rebuild everything as the socialist utopia they've always dreamed about.

i didnt hear him. Maybe he thinks a Tory no deal is better than a lab no deal.

There would not be a labour no deal, Labour could only form a government, either before or after a general election with support of the lib dems and SNP who would insist on a second referendum.

A second referendum that could still deliver a No Deal result, of course....

That's why Corbyn is holding out for a Tory no deal.

I agree Corbyn' secret desire is for a tory no deal, and indeed it will probably be best from a purely labour party political point of view.  Loony tories may think that leaving with no deal will shore up their vote - in fact when people realise (a) the economic consequences and (b) no deal means Brexit dominating the political agenda for years to come they will punish them like never before.   The Tories have always been pretty unloved but have dominated british politics as the pragmatic party one could trust not to utterly fuck things up - when that is lost they have absolutely nothing.

The one silver lining to come out of no deal. I'm not after a Corbyn-style socialist utopia by any means (there will be no money to pay for it anyway) but the obliteration of the Tory party is not so much a silver lining as a solid platinum, diamond encrusted one.

I don't get this whole vote of confidence thing...

No deal is the default.  Even if they bring the government down two weeks before the deadline we will still crash out.  There won't be a government to ask for an extension.  The only way to stop it would be for parliament to vote to revoke article 50. I am not sure there would be time in the sort of timeframe we are talking about to pass a resolution that was binding.

There can be no doubt that Team Brexit would challenge any steps that were taken in those types of scenarios  in the courts and I haven't heard anyone, at all, really say that they would vote to revoke article 50 without a referendum in a no deal scenario.

Don’t agree.  If power changes hands the EU might be willing to slow down the process in the hope of a revocation.  

Lib / Lab / SNP coalition not likely to be very effective as a government but could easily deliver either revocation or a further referendum (which would of course be the third, not the second - we had one in 1975).  

I still see the Labour party splitting at some point as it's untenable to have a cabinet crying out for a second referendum and a leader who dumbly sits there trying to achieve the opposite through inaction.  Suspect there will be a rump party of JC and MP's for areas that want to leave.

The Labour party will not split over this, JC is prevaricating but will ultimately come around to a 2nd referendum - there is nowhere for hard core brexiteers to go - left wing brexiteers is a tiny subset of the population.

I don't get this whole vote of confidence thing...

No deal is the default.  Even if they bring the government down two weeks before the deadline we will still crash out.  There won't be a government to ask for an extension.  The only way to stop it would be for parliament to vote to revoke article 50. I am not sure there would be time in the sort of timeframe we are talking about to pass a resolution that was binding.

If you have the votes to bring down the Govt, you have the numbers to either vote in a crisis government with the mandate to extend Art 50 or vote to compel the sitting PM to do it (I presume but cba to check that you always have someone acting as PM if it's the Queen that actually appoints/dismisses them).

The EU is not going to refuse an extension in such circumstances.

Lady Pen why do you keep banging in about obliteration of Con?? Its precisely that which lets in brexit/ ukip etc. In my day it was the BNP you had to fear.

left and right opposition keep us central.

Because there is basically no difference between the Tories and Brexit Party/UKIP these days.

Voting for a bunch of lunatics to keep out other lunatics just because the first bunch of lunatics have in the past been considered a respectable and competent party of government is still voting for a bunch of lunatics, at the end of the day.

If people like you actually stopped voting for them while they continue to be lunatics, instead of continuing to vote for them out of blind loyalty and a misguided feeling that "at least they're better than the other lot", that would help massively.

i would rather see the party change back to what it was then be obliterated. Abs same goes for Lab, faod.

The way to change it back to what it was is to stop voting for them for as long as they continue to be mental fuckwits. If you keep voting for them they will think that is what their voters want them to be.