Can't see how some formulaic music would have helped....
There are loads and loads of brexiteers left (just look at the polling). Not many who are prepared to admit it publicly though.
TBH I am at this point essentially a brexiteer. I am not sure revoking the Art 50 notice and trying to go back to business as usual is a remotely good idea (even if there was a second referendum backing that approach).
Softest possible Brexit is probably the best outcome from here.
I would prefer to no deal May's deal plus customs union (on the rule taking terms currently proposed for the customs union).
Can't see how some formulaic music would have helped....
There are loads and loads of brexiteers left (just look at the polling). Not many who are prepared to admit it publicly though.
TBH I am at this point essentially a brexiteer. I am not sure revoking the Art 50 notice and trying to go back to business as usual is a remotely good idea (even if there was a second referendum backing that approach).
Softest possible Brexit is probably the best outcome from here.
I would prefer to no deal May's deal plus customs union (on the rule taking terms currently proposed for the customs union).
No deal is utterly unsustainable short and medium term which is why deals will happen in the aftermath of no deal to address the worst of it. Better that than agreeing up front to be shafted. It pains me to say it but Liam Fox is entirely right about what a customs union would mean in terms of the UK being screwed.
I don't actually see why a sensibly negotiated soft brexit that included a seat at the table (and veto rights) for the UK on core policy making decisions in areas in which the UK was bound (and on trade deals) wouldn't be sustainable.
I just don't see how we can go back into full membership now. I actually suspect that us doing so might destroy the EU.
I don't actually see why a sensibly negotiated soft brexit that included a seat at the table (and veto rights) for the UK on core policy making decisions in areas in which the UK was bound (and on trade deals)
that will never be offered. The EU would be mad to offer that. Crazy.
If you face an impossible task that will be wildly unpopular the first thing any competent politician does is try and make it non-partisan so you don't own it. You appoint a Royal Commission to kick it into the long grass or if that isn't feasible at least form some sort of cross-party group that implicates the opposition.
May has come very late to the realisation that she needs to involve Corbyn so he shoulders the blame.
How anyone can even consider reaming in the EU after the way in which they have treated us during this entire process is astonishing. All because we want to leave their little club?
If May had had a wartime Consigliere throughout, the UK wouldn't be in this mess. May has ruined this country with her non-existent leadership skillz and complete inability to convince anyone to want to get behind anything she's ever said. There has never been a worse leader.
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I am listening to "Ich will bei dir stehen" from the Matthew Passion.
Perhaps that's where the remain campaign went wrong in the referendum: not enough Bach.
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so, ???, how do you think it's going?
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Are you saying it needed more bite?
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Can't see how some formulaic music would have helped....
There are loads and loads of brexiteers left (just look at the polling). Not many who are prepared to admit it publicly though.
TBH I am at this point essentially a brexiteer. I am not sure revoking the Art 50 notice and trying to go back to business as usual is a remotely good idea (even if there was a second referendum backing that approach).
Softest possible Brexit is probably the best outcome from here.
I would prefer to no deal May's deal plus customs union (on the rule taking terms currently proposed for the customs union).
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Can't see how some formulaic music would have helped....
There are loads and loads of brexiteers left (just look at the polling). Not many who are prepared to admit it publicly though.
TBH I am at this point essentially a brexiteer. I am not sure revoking the Art 50 notice and trying to go back to business as usual is a remotely good idea (even if there was a second referendum backing that approach).
Softest possible Brexit is probably the best outcome from here.
I would prefer to no deal May's deal plus customs union (on the rule taking terms currently proposed for the customs union).
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prefer no deal *to* May's deal...
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worse than that, strutts
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What Donny said. If that makes me a Brexiteer, so be it.
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soft brexit is unsustainable in the medium term
no deal is unsustainable in the short and medium term
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Unimpeachable - just like the problem with communism was always that it simply wasn’t implemented properly
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eh? no government would ever do that
TMPM has been woeful, but to be fair to her she had an impossible task
she has carried out that badly, but anyone else would have carried out badly as well (albeit bad for different reasons)
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No deal is utterly unsustainable short and medium term which is why deals will happen in the aftermath of no deal to address the worst of it. Better that than agreeing up front to be shafted. It pains me to say it but Liam Fox is entirely right about what a customs union would mean in terms of the UK being screwed.
I don't actually see why a sensibly negotiated soft brexit that included a seat at the table (and veto rights) for the UK on core policy making decisions in areas in which the UK was bound (and on trade deals) wouldn't be sustainable.
I just don't see how we can go back into full membership now. I actually suspect that us doing so might destroy the EU.
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that will never be offered. The EU would be mad to offer that. Crazy.
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The EU need to make sure it seen to be very hard and painful to leave otherwise there will be no EU in a few years. This is why the only deal is shit.
No deal will be bad but we will get stuff sorted out in the medium term.
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So in fact what is being suggested there is basically staying in.
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If you face an impossible task that will be wildly unpopular the first thing any competent politician does is try and make it non-partisan so you don't own it. You appoint a Royal Commission to kick it into the long grass or if that isn't feasible at least form some sort of cross-party group that implicates the opposition.
May has come very late to the realisation that she needs to involve Corbyn so he shoulders the blame.
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How anyone can even consider reaming in the EU after the way in which they have treated us during this entire process is astonishing. All because we want to leave their little club?
If May had had a wartime Consigliere throughout, the UK wouldn't be in this mess. May has ruined this country with her non-existent leadership skillz and complete inability to convince anyone to want to get behind anything she's ever said. There has never been a worse leader.
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lol@reaming. I meant rimming obvs.
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Cos that's exactly what May has been doing throughout.
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