Royalty, you’re wrong. There is a small risk x of an adverse reaction to any jab. That compares to a no adverse reaction risk of zero if you don’t have the jab. Every extra jab you have exposed yourself to another small risk.
Also love how everyone who disagrees isn’t just wrong about this one thing but is actually an all-round moron who struggles with tying their own shoelaces and whose mum sighs with regret and declines the call whenever they try to phone her
Just to be clear, do you think there is no concern among the medical community about vaccines in general and covid vaccines in particular re the risk of autoimmune disease, chimp?
ANYONE WHO CALLS GROUVILLE ST. MARY A COWARD BECAUSE HE CANCELLED HIS JAB APPOINTMENT IS QUITE WRONG!!
GETTING THE JAB IN ORDER TO PROTECT HIMSELF, THOSE AROUND HIM AND THE WIDER COMMUNITY CARRIES WITH IT A RISK WELL INTO THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF A PER CENT. OF HAVING SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS... NOT TO MENTION HE MIGHT FEEL A BIT POORLY FOR A DAY OR TWO!
IF ANYTHING, REFUSING TO GET THE JAB AND RISKING THE OPPROBRIUM OF THE WOKE LIBTARD BRIGADE WHO ARE WILLING TO BE VACCINATED IS THE FAR BRAVER THING AND I THINK IT WOULD BE RATHER NICE IF GROUVILLE ST. MARY AND THE REST OF US COULD CARRY SOME SORT OF EMBLEM SO THAT PEOPLE KNEW THAT WE WERE WILLING TO STAND UP TO THEM...
... I WAS THINKING PERHAPS A WHITE FEATHER WOULD BE RATHER NICE?
Just to be clear, do you think there is no concern among the medical community about vaccines in general and covid vaccines in particular re the risk of autoimmune disease, chimp?
Not quite the same, but there was that doctor last week who said people should still get vaccinated even though her brother died from a blood clot post-vaccination. Perhaps Clergs could explain risk and auto-immune disease to her?
Cockpit she was a pharmacist but I accept the point.
Risky m9, fair enough. Your body your choice at the end of the day. I'm sure you'll get another oportunity to have it if you change your mind later. I suspect you'll need it to travel again so you're probably only delaying the inevitable but that is OK.
Er, I never said there is “no concern” so I’m not sure how this is “changing the subject”. The subject is who does or doesn’t understand relative risk. You seem to think that you do but your previous comments suggest that your appraisal of risk is shaky at best. You are obviously strongly motivated to minimise covid risk and exaggerate vaccine risk, for reasons best known to yourself.
Who should we listen to about the risks of vaccine, a trained medical professional who has encountered the real issues involved or a tax lawyer with no relevant experience? Hmmm.
A girl I went to highschool with is ranting on FB about her brother, who had the jab and went paralyzed on half his body. He's expected to recover, but she's gone completely anti-vax as a result. Some sort of allergic reaction that they didn't expect I take it.
I still want it, because I need to be jabbed to make travel to see my immediate family less of a ballache and less costly. But if I didn't need to travel freely to Canada/USA, I'd probably just wait for this to blow over. And I am definitely pro vaccines generally.
Risk is percieved by an individual and we all have different fears and values. Some people spend huge sums on insurances, for example, to give "peace of mind". Others are happy to take their chances.
I know I keep banging on about this but the courts acknowledged and addressed this in Montgomery. Risks that one person (whether patient or doctor) sees as trivial may be of immense importance to another person. For example a m9 had a baby recently. His wife is a nurse who works with brain damaged children and she wanted a C-section from the outset beacuse she had seen so many children with brain damage resulting from complex natural births. She wasn't at any kind of high risk of having a difficult birth but that was her choice based on her own individal fears and circumstances.
Apparently 88% of people who take the vaccine have an adverse reaction and of those 25% have a SEVERE reaction.
Isn’t that right clergs?
Of course you should wait until tomorrow to let us know if posting the answer would take you over the 1.4 minutes that you have told us you spend per day on here.
Clergs - your need to resort to the ad hominem is telling and very tedious.
Please educate us all on any scientific evidence supporting the notion that vaccines cause (or may cause) autoimmune disease. If you can’t, then I don’t think there’s much more to say.
Yes of course, if the worst happens it costs more. If it’s easier let’s generalize, there is a question around whether a publicly funded health service should Provide more than a basic service, particularly on things that are a matter of personal choice (in most cases at least).
Yeah I suppose that is a question but as things stand the NHS in encourged to offer a choice of treatments and give patients agency. How true that is in practice I don't know but that is the theory. It is usually public health people who want to restrict individual patient choice.
But the point was that people have different priorities. For example a woman who's mother died of breast cancer may be very worried about anything that would give her breast cancer even if the risk of whatever the thing is is objectively very low.
The mind boggles at the speed of which many team saners have done a volte face in respect of level or risk that one should take into account when making decisions
Nothanners, you went off grid for two weeks after the Theresa May general election - surely a day or two lying low post the big prick is well within your capabilities.
That was just some guy who posted in the same way and had exactly the same opinions on the same subjects who disappeared just before gsm turned up and has never come back.
Initially seeing Gillaume - Barre I thought clergy’s was making a cryptic reference to the former US Justice secretary, William Barr but fairly quickly realised she just created an imaginary syndrome that has a similar name to a real one, Guillain - Barre syndrome named in the old fashion after those who first published a description along with M. Strohl in 1916. Even now the cause is described as unknown so again do correlation and causation indicate anything but coincidence?
So massive economic damage, reigniting the troubles in ulster, increased bureaucracy, destruction of the fishing industry and a huge blow to our international prestige are worth it because I think those are bad ideas?
I also think reintroducing smallpox to the general population is a bad idea - would you like to do that too?
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Cry baby
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Is your bed wet this morning?
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“Me, myself and I”
Have you considered a career as the male Caitlin Moran?
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Mummy's boy
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I know quite a few people who have had bad reactions and needed to take 2 or 3 days off work.
As someone who has probably had the Vu and in a low risk group, I'm not massively fussed about getting the jab.
The only reason I would probably get it is if it becomes a must have for international travel.
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Pathetic.
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Yeah If I’m forced to. Otherwise, I’m going to exercise my free Rider card. Thank you society!
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I don’t really get why you wouldn’t take it. I quite enjoyed the excuse to lie in bed for a couple of days both times.
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Had it yesterday morning and no side effects other than a bit of a sore arm
should be getting up and going for a run but am considering just staying in bed for the day just in case
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Good for you risky. It takes a brave roffer to stand up and admit to being a planet sized fanny.
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I think they'll transpire to have longer term effects too
A global catastrophe in the making
Imagine trusting it knowing all we know
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Besides which, everyone will be expected to take another next year anyway so why rush to be over the trenchtop sooner than necessary
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For the reasons we discussed yesterday the personal risk from covid seems to be dropping every day; the vaccine risk increases with each dose.
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I thought you were a chap who understands risk... You know that's not how it works.
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And vaccine induced autoimmune disease sounds shite
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Risky is scared of a little prick.
Come drink the cool aid.
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I had the text yesterday. I’m waiting until trial over before I get it and then I’d rather Pfizer given circulation probs and the dormant MS issues.
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Royalty, you’re wrong. There is a small risk x of an adverse reaction to any jab. That compares to a no adverse reaction risk of zero if you don’t have the jab. Every extra jab you have exposed yourself to another small risk.
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I must say, your devotion to trolling is admirable. Do you only get from midnight to 6am off?
You absolute fooking 🤡
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Wot Bentines said
Timmy Try Hard is getting dull
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Don't be thick
Get the prick
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Ok risky, I thought you were doing the dumb thing, but you were just word clumsy.
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Ok maybe I could have been clearer. But you understand now.
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Ha bentines. It’s so easy to wind people up on here. I’ve given you a little boost of righteous energy to start the day tho?
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“Vaccine induced autoimmune disease”.
Otherwise known as a figment of your vivid imagination.
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Yeah he’s definitely posted less since tho. So I take that as a win tbh.
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JC
The fact you don't understand why this is a risk demonstrates that you're not widely educated or even very good at logic
Your confidence despite this is impressive
By all means get vaccinated but the foolish choice is to leap to expose yourself to something totally unknown
1 in a million flu vaccine recipients get Guillaume barré
And that's a well tested thing
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shut up and get a pint down ya
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The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one they said
The chances of anythiiiing coming from Mars, are a million to one... And still they come
Ooooh laaaa
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lol at Clergham condescending to people about not understanding risk
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From the brain genius who brought you “it’s a bad cold”
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tbf clergs once claimed that she only spends 0.5% of her time on here.
I'm not sure that maths is one of her stronger ponits.
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Also love how everyone who disagrees isn’t just wrong about this one thing but is actually an all-round moron who struggles with tying their own shoelaces and whose mum sighs with regret and declines the call whenever they try to phone her
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Just to be clear, do you think there is no concern among the medical community about vaccines in general and covid vaccines in particular re the risk of autoimmune disease, chimp?
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Sorry where did I say that?
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Just to be clear, do you acknowledge that your previous characterisation of covid as “a bad cold” was utterly wrong-headed?
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Don't change the subject
You know there is concern about this
Currently overridden by the imperative to push people to vaccinate asap
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ANYONE WHO CALLS GROUVILLE ST. MARY A COWARD BECAUSE HE CANCELLED HIS JAB APPOINTMENT IS QUITE WRONG!!
GETTING THE JAB IN ORDER TO PROTECT HIMSELF, THOSE AROUND HIM AND THE WIDER COMMUNITY CARRIES WITH IT A RISK WELL INTO THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF A PER CENT. OF HAVING SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS... NOT TO MENTION HE MIGHT FEEL A BIT POORLY FOR A DAY OR TWO!
IF ANYTHING, REFUSING TO GET THE JAB AND RISKING THE OPPROBRIUM OF THE WOKE LIBTARD BRIGADE WHO ARE WILLING TO BE VACCINATED IS THE FAR BRAVER THING AND I THINK IT WOULD BE RATHER NICE IF GROUVILLE ST. MARY AND THE REST OF US COULD CARRY SOME SORT OF EMBLEM SO THAT PEOPLE KNEW THAT WE WERE WILLING TO STAND UP TO THEM...
... I WAS THINKING PERHAPS A WHITE FEATHER WOULD BE RATHER NICE?
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Not quite the same, but there was that doctor last week who said people should still get vaccinated even though her brother died from a blood clot post-vaccination. Perhaps Clergs could explain risk and auto-immune disease to her?
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Cockpit she was a pharmacist but I accept the point.
Risky m9, fair enough. Your body your choice at the end of the day. I'm sure you'll get another oportunity to have it if you change your mind later. I suspect you'll need it to travel again so you're probably only delaying the inevitable but that is OK.
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Sorry why is that person relevant?
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m7 u appear 2b on here permanently.
every1 posts less than u
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Er, I never said there is “no concern” so I’m not sure how this is “changing the subject”. The subject is who does or doesn’t understand relative risk. You seem to think that you do but your previous comments suggest that your appraisal of risk is shaky at best. You are obviously strongly motivated to minimise covid risk and exaggerate vaccine risk, for reasons best known to yourself.
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more relevant than a Scottish tax lawyer
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Gr8 trolling.
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Why is a pharmacist who is content for her brother to be dead in the name of thethe greater good a convincing example of why vaccines are safe?
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And how is it remotely relevant to the possibility that your body will start to attack itself as a result of being vaccinated?
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Anti Vax on steroids here. Wow.
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Who should we listen to about the risks of vaccine, a trained medical professional who has encountered the real issues involved or a tax lawyer with no relevant experience? Hmmm.
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Half tun for risky trolling lol
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A girl I went to highschool with is ranting on FB about her brother, who had the jab and went paralyzed on half his body. He's expected to recover, but she's gone completely anti-vax as a result. Some sort of allergic reaction that they didn't expect I take it.
I still want it, because I need to be jabbed to make travel to see my immediate family less of a ballache and less costly. But if I didn't need to travel freely to Canada/USA, I'd probably just wait for this to blow over. And I am definitely pro vaccines generally.
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Risk is percieved by an individual and we all have different fears and values. Some people spend huge sums on insurances, for example, to give "peace of mind". Others are happy to take their chances.
I know I keep banging on about this but the courts acknowledged and addressed this in Montgomery. Risks that one person (whether patient or doctor) sees as trivial may be of immense importance to another person. For example a m9 had a baby recently. His wife is a nurse who works with brain damaged children and she wanted a C-section from the outset beacuse she had seen so many children with brain damage resulting from complex natural births. She wasn't at any kind of high risk of having a difficult birth but that was her choice based on her own individal fears and circumstances.
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I’m with you hanners.
Apparently 88% of people who take the vaccine have an adverse reaction and of those 25% have a SEVERE reaction.
Isn’t that right clergs?
Of course you should wait until tomorrow to let us know if posting the answer would take you over the 1.4 minutes that you have told us you spend per day on here.
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Crypto I agree but in the example you give there is a question of to what extent a publicly funded health service should indulge such choices.
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No there isn't. Don't talk wet.
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" to what extent a publicly funded health service should indulge such choices"
C sections are a lot cheaper than brain injured babies
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Clergs - your need to resort to the ad hominem is telling and very tedious.
Please educate us all on any scientific evidence supporting the notion that vaccines cause (or may cause) autoimmune disease. If you can’t, then I don’t think there’s much more to say.
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Yes Linda but not than Vaginal births
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They are if the vaginal birth gives you a brain injured baby, or a mother with pelvic floor damage, or a serious tear etc etc etc
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Jc denton, it’s a bit rich of accusing clergs like that. The general pattern is
Clergs posts an article or statemetn
a Load of people attack her personally
she responds
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Yes of course, if the worst happens it costs more. If it’s easier let’s generalize, there is a question around whether a publicly funded health service should Provide more than a basic service, particularly on things that are a matter of personal choice (in most cases at least).
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Yeah I suppose that is a question but as things stand the NHS in encourged to offer a choice of treatments and give patients agency. How true that is in practice I don't know but that is the theory. It is usually public health people who want to restrict individual patient choice.
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But the point was that people have different priorities. For example a woman who's mother died of breast cancer may be very worried about anything that would give her breast cancer even if the risk of whatever the thing is is objectively very low.
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The mind boggles at the speed of which many team saners have done a volte face in respect of level or risk that one should take into account when making decisions
utter bed wetters
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Why do these clowns even get airtime?
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Also, wot Guy said. I thought Team Sane were meant to be the risky ones.
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shrug
I pity you the sickness both short term and possibly long term
tell yourself it's "brave" to take on the prospect if it helps
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crypto - why should everyone else pay to indulge that person’s irrational and illogical “different priorities” (“their truth” if you like)
FOR FVCJS SAKE!
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How strange Guy. You’re the one who’s gone all
flip floppy on this stuff recently.
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risky is trolling
he said so
he will get his vax like a good citizen and then post another thread next week baiting all the team sane lot about the virtues of the vaccine
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I definitely won’t do that chill
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sure sure
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Understandable.
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I hope you don’t get the abuse from the people on here nwboy
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You always were an a55hole Grouman
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Right back atcha wozza
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Sorry no I got vaccinated. What an a55hole, can't even take the consequences of your a55holery.
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🤡
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NO WHITE FEATHER FOR WARREN!
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And that's how you know hanners has just lost an argument
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‘Clergs posts an article or statemetn
a Load of people attack her personally
she responds‘
lol I mean that’s literally not what happens but you know that.
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Tom, one second to find an example from earlier today
https://www.rollonfriday.com/discussion/itll-all-be-over-soon
telegraph link posted, no personal abuse. Personal abuse in return
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I was quite thoughtful in my response to that one risky. Proud of myself.
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Nothanners, you went off grid for two weeks after the Theresa May general election - surely a day or two lying low post the big prick is well within your capabilities.
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I'm young and healthy (and good-looking). No reason for me to get the vaccine. For old, fat roffers though I can see the attraction of the jab.
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I wasn’t posting on here then mr bunce
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AND ANOTHER WHITE FEATHER FOR GJE943!
WELL DONE!
NOW YOU HAVE A WHITE FEATHER JUST LIKE GROUVILL ST. MARY AND MYSELF!!
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That was just some guy who posted in the same way and had exactly the same opinions on the same subjects who disappeared just before gsm turned up and has never come back.
Do pay attention.
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Getting pretty close to a tun here risky. How will lolz celebrate on your behalf this time?
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Initially seeing Gillaume - Barre I thought clergy’s was making a cryptic reference to the former US Justice secretary, William Barr but fairly quickly realised she just created an imaginary syndrome that has a similar name to a real one, Guillain - Barre syndrome named in the old fashion after those who first published a description along with M. Strohl in 1916. Even now the cause is described as unknown so again do correlation and causation indicate anything but coincidence?
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fixed it.
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Strutter, not really surprising someone might have had same opinions as me. Remember, on your special sensitive subject, there were 17.4m of us...
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Almost none of whom wanted what they actually ended up getting.
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It annoys you tho. Almost any outcome is worth that. Hell, I might even get jabbed if it would Piss you off
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So massive economic damage, reigniting the troubles in ulster, increased bureaucracy, destruction of the fishing industry and a huge blow to our international prestige are worth it because I think those are bad ideas?
I also think reintroducing smallpox to the general population is a bad idea - would you like to do that too?
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Maybe smallpox was too much.
Polio?
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Heh! Would we still have left the eu in this scenario?
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I’m a nice chap and the thought of you slamming your knackers in a drawer repeatedly upsets me a lot.
Over to you, hanners.
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some quality work from notWello here
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