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The real reason why I bang on about trans activism
Hotblack Desiato 03 Aug 21 09:36
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Is the same reason why Helen Joyce wrote her book. Here she is in her own words:

 

 

Helen Joyce: There were two moments. I distinguish very clearly between transgender people and transgender activism. I have no objection to people who find it difficult to live in the world while presenting as members of their sex. Any decent society should try to accommodate all sorts of different people.

 

However, I have a huge problem with the truth claims of transgender activism, namely that our biological sex either doesn’t matter or isn’t real, and that it is something that we should be allowed to overwrite. I have been bothered by that for a long time. If you abandon the material reality of sexed bodies, particularly women’s sexed bodies, you have no basis on which to argue for women-only spaces.

That issue got me interested, but it didn’t get me over the edge to writing a book. What pushed me towards that was meeting de-transitioners. These are people who were fooled by this ideology into thinking that they needed to transition in order to be happy. They were told that they had this weird inner soul, an opposite-sex soul, that explained everything that was bad about their lives. It happens a lot to teenage girls these days, because it is quite hard being a teenage girl. Somebody comes along and tells them that the reason they find it so hard is that they are really a boy. They take testosterone, they may get a mastectomy and maybe even a hysterectomy. And then they realise it was all a chimera. That strikes me as a grotesque medical scandal and an example of child abuse. That’s what made me write this book. (Emphasis added).

 

 

This would be the book in which she claims trans activism is a conspiracy funded by Jewish billionaires, sourced from the writing of overt neo-nazis?

That does track with your politics generally tbf

This would be the book in which she claims trans activism is a conspiracy funded by Jewish billionaires, sourced from the writing of overt neo-nazis?

That does track with your politics generally tbf

kaulbach03 Aug 21 09:49

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Oh dear. Have you read it, or is this something you read about it on Twitter…

My god, Pancakes, you are losing the plot. I guarantee you that Dr Joyce does not say that it is a conspiracy funded by Jewish billionaires. She may or may not make a factual statement about donations to trans lobbying groups by individuals who may or may not be Jewish, but that is not the same thing for fvcks sake.

 

pancakes - it’s a sure way to look like a fool to throw around allegations like that unless you can back them up, can you? below is her response to the anti semitism allegation. do you think the economist would continue to employ her if there was anything- anything - in what you say?

”In my book I demonstrate that mainstream transactivism is not a grassroots movement, but a top-down one. One part of the evidence is that rich individuals and foundations make large donations to campaign groups that, among other things, lobby to erase biological sex from law and to enshrine gender identity in its place. [...]

This is in no sense "dark money", and I don't say it is. The information is readily available because all such American foundations and charities are legally required to publish details of where they get their money and what they spend it on. I found the information on their websites. [...]

I didn't deliberately select three Jewish donors; it never occurred to me to think about their religions. Two of the three, it turns out, are indeed Jewish, though that is not something I mention in my book because it is utterly irrelevant. [...] I also think it's interesting that the people accusing me of antisemitic dog-whistles are speculating about someone's religion, when I did not even speculate about it.”

Don't tell me I've got no soul. The idea of a gendered inner soul is undoubtedly specious but these are just words to describe complex mechanisms that are not properly understood by anybody as far as I can tell. I wouldn't dismiss it so readily. 

To tell a person they have no soul, no personality, no identity outside of the physical limitations of their body seems a strange route to go down. 

To tell a person they have no soul, no personality, no identity outside of the physical limitations of their body seems a strange route to go down. 

Octo fella - sorry to have to break this to you but souls, dualism and all that stuff disappeared in the late 19th century. The only coherent meaning the word ‘soul’ has in the 21st century relates to musical genre.

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