Also I don't think Raab actually negotiated the deal. He was probably more privy to it than many but as far as I know did not directly negotiate it, at all.
Ok I’ll dignify this threat. Chukka on telly now making the point I noted last night, maybot for the first time actually ceded the point that brexit is not irreversible “this deal, no deal or no brexit”
Matt Hancock also made the same point this morning, in effect
the choice is: this deal, no deal, or no brexit
he in effect said the government does not want another referendum, but that was a possibility of this deal is not approved
I would LOVE it if TMPM sticks it to the Brexit nutters by saying (after they vote down her deal): right, that's it, I'm resigning in 2 months time, and in the meantime my government will negotiate a pause on leaving the EU so there can be another referendum
not a totally unrealistic scenario in my view, she must be royally fooked off with the Tory bastards
She is toast. This deal is dead. She cannot ever convince her cabinet. The maths of parliament are massively stacked against her.
Even as a remainer always thought a second referendum was a pipe dream, however, increasingly I think it more likely. Although Heffalump's prediction is not unrealistic.
Raab came in towards the end so I imagine it's like that moment when a colleague is on holiday and the matter they've left with you is ready to complete and you have a read through the documents to find that they've agreed to something bizarre and you're then trying to work out how to raise it with the other side without looking like you're trying to renegotiate things.
God she is devious, cable asks her what steps are being taken for a no deal brexit . She said none because she will deliver brexit. I swear she has repeatedly said they are planning for a no deal brexit as well..
Tom Brake, the Lib Dem Brexit spokesman, says May referred to staying in the EU being an option. That would only happen if there was an election or a second referendum. So which is it?
May ignores the question, and says the UK will not be isolated after Brexit.
yep. Every time I feel a bit sorry for her trying to achieve the impossible and dealing with the front and backstabbing then I remember that this mess is totally of her own making so fook her
Hopefully the Queen will reassert direct rule and we can be done with this. Then we can have the pragmatic solution of putting Greater London, the M1 corridor, Manchester and Scotland into the EU, putting "Greater England" and Wales into a Dukedom ruled by JRM, BoJo and Farage free to negotiate trade deals with everyone including EU UK, and everyone will be happy.
Veteran Conservative MP Ken Clarke says this morning's events have been "the most extreme situation in Parliament I've ever seen".
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's The World At One, the former Conservative chancellor says "there's not the slightest chance" of the prime minister's deal being supported by MPs.
He suggests Theresa May may "soften" the deal she is proposing, in order to win the support of Labour MPs and get the deal through the House of Commons that way.
Asked about Mrs May's future as prime minister, he says "there isn't anyone else" and is "an irrelevance".
A challenge to her leadership would only add "farce into the situation", he says, and even if a vote of confidence was forced "then she'll win confidently" as other Conservative MPs continue to support her.
"I don't think they have the slightest chance of removing Theresa May."
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Absolutely - the other thread looks a bit redundant now...
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you seem to have done a bit of a u turn in your predictions 3 bikes
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She really could not have made a worse job of all this.
wtf is happening to this Nation.
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Fair play to Raab. Man's got Ballz.
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he would have been braver not to resign
as always, the brexit headbangers have no viable alternative
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Agreed but still. First one to make the move. Domino's now.
Irrespective, to lose to Brexit secretary's is rather telling.
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two* urgh.
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The rogue apostrophe bothered me more than the two to.
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Also I don't think Raab actually negotiated the deal. He was probably more privy to it than many but as far as I know did not directly negotiate it, at all.
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Ok I’ll dignify this threat. Chukka on telly now making the point I noted last night, maybot for the first time actually ceded the point that brexit is not irreversible “this deal, no deal or no brexit”
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Matt Hancock also made the same point this morning, in effect
the choice is: this deal, no deal, or no brexit
he in effect said the government does not want another referendum, but that was a possibility of this deal is not approved
I would LOVE it if TMPM sticks it to the Brexit nutters by saying (after they vote down her deal): right, that's it, I'm resigning in 2 months time, and in the meantime my government will negotiate a pause on leaving the EU so there can be another referendum
not a totally unrealistic scenario in my view, she must be royally fooked off with the Tory bastards
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She is toast. This deal is dead. She cannot ever convince her cabinet. The maths of parliament are massively stacked against her.
Even as a remainer always thought a second referendum was a pipe dream, however, increasingly I think it more likely. Although Heffalump's prediction is not unrealistic.
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Raab came in towards the end so I imagine it's like that moment when a colleague is on holiday and the matter they've left with you is ready to complete and you have a read through the documents to find that they've agreed to something bizarre and you're then trying to work out how to raise it with the other side without looking like you're trying to renegotiate things.
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On the contrary. It's easy to run away from the mess. Cameron, Johnson, Gove - none of them have "got ballz". (not Jo Johnson, FAOD).
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No Brexit it is then.
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the eu will do everything they can to defeat brexit
if we need time for a referendum they will give it to us
they will also let us back on the same terms as we have now
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McVey gone
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how long until Mogg announces his tilt at the title?
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It's all very exciting. So much so I posted this on the other thread.
Resignations coming in now.
Need a Johnson to deliver hard brexit, clean a break as possible and just get on with it.
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Heff I can't see your option three. They'll want us to give us up the rebate at the very minimum.
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what did the others "risk" then, bikes?
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May has just said again
this deal, no deal, or no brexit
I'll take the no Brexit ta
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Jo Johnson, I thought he was a former snooker player?
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No you’re thinking of the fellow who did ‘Is she really going out with him?’
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But does "No Brexit" at this point means Schengen and the euro?
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fook knows
what a mess
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Possibly - they are going to want payback for having dicked them around so royally for the last couple of years
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No word from Gove yet.
What is that little poison dwarf up to
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Govey is actually quite a big bloke to be fair.
It’s the funny little pixie face that make people think he’s small.
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Gove is briefing the flying monkeys
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didn't know that strutter. presumed he was jayerz sized
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Most people do.
If you need convincing look at a picture of him next to Boris or even May in heels - way taller.
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not in his own estimation, cookie
Gove in his own view is the best bits of George Bernard Shaw, Hulme and Disraeli all rolled into one
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His only redeeming feature is that he isn't Dom Raab.
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what a little shit JRM is
what a total shit
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he's just submitted his letter, apparently
thats 48
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Hard Brexit looks as distant as ever. Majority for a deal or for remaining is so huge that they will table enough motions to get through.
The only way no deal happens is if we have a General Election in which a hard Tory Brexiteer leader wins a majority.
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Parliament looks very sombre today, and TMPM looks like she has had enough and looks tired.
ian Blackford is wittering on about how there is not one mention of Scotland in the 500 page document! Lol
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Heh @ bike boy
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heh @ these questions in parliament
"can we have another vote"
no
"yeh but can we have another vote"
no
"yeh but come one, lets have another vote"
no
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God she is devious, cable asks her what steps are being taken for a no deal brexit . She said none because she will deliver brexit. I swear she has repeatedly said they are planning for a no deal brexit as well..
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Nah, "devious" is when you pull the wool over people's eye's. When you try to but fail, that's just being shyte at it.
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I'm already heading into the drawing room with great grandfather's Webley for that apostrophe btw.
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Tom Brake, the Lib Dem Brexit spokesman, says May referred to staying in the EU being an option. That would only happen if there was an election or a second referendum. So which is it?
May ignores the question, and says the UK will not be isolated after Brexit.
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TM seems to be holding her own in this. Can't see the public backing her removal.
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she looks so ill though
resigning due to ill health is perhaps her way out of this
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the public don't need to back her removal, just her MPs
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Queenie E15 Nov 18 12:17
resigning due to ill health is perhaps her way out of this
She's made of sterner stuff. if she goes it'll be because she knows she doesn't have the support, not some bed-wetters excuse
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she probably hasn't slept for the last 3 days
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yep. Every time I feel a bit sorry for her trying to achieve the impossible and dealing with the front and backstabbing then I remember that this mess is totally of her own making so fook her
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the public don't need to back her removal, just her MPs
I'd argue they would if the Conservatives don't want to be atomised at the next election, but then look at 1992
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I think that she is ill and has been for some time.
From the way she moves I’d guess something that involves back pain.
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BREAKING
Michael Gove has been offered the job of Brexit Secretary, sources confirm.
But he's still wrestling with whether he will stay on at all in the wake of Raab's resignation. Which will it be?
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I thought she had some osteoporosysie type thing.
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ohfookinghell, really?
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He is indeed an odious little sh1t. So's that Francois bloke.
Anyway, no one has mentioned the really important question.
What does Nigel Farridge think?
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Hopefully the Queen will reassert direct rule and we can be done with this. Then we can have the pragmatic solution of putting Greater London, the M1 corridor, Manchester and Scotland into the EU, putting "Greater England" and Wales into a Dukedom ruled by JRM, BoJo and Farage free to negotiate trade deals with everyone including EU UK, and everyone will be happy.
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Another PPS resigns
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Ken Clarke being entirely sensible about this:
Veteran Conservative MP Ken Clarke says this morning's events have been "the most extreme situation in Parliament I've ever seen".
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's The World At One, the former Conservative chancellor says "there's not the slightest chance" of the prime minister's deal being supported by MPs.
He suggests Theresa May may "soften" the deal she is proposing, in order to win the support of Labour MPs and get the deal through the House of Commons that way.
Asked about Mrs May's future as prime minister, he says "there isn't anyone else" and is "an irrelevance".
A challenge to her leadership would only add "farce into the situation", he says, and even if a vote of confidence was forced "then she'll win confidently" as other Conservative MPs continue to support her.
"I don't think they have the slightest chance of removing Theresa May."
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