Outside lockdown, 85% of the time

I would be doing the same as now

But the other 15% is what makes that 85% work and not just be tedious grey sludge

Why don't people get this?

Because weirdly about 20% of what I'm doing currently is stuff that I wouldn't be doing outside the current circumstances and that's the stuff that's preventing boredom.

I’m with you.

Personally part of the reason I work is so we have x2 incomes and disposable cash to do all the fun things for ourselves and the kiddo - restaurants/weekend breaks/day trips/sports clubs/big holidays/parties etc when I can do zero of that stuff and the social benefit/structure of a work day is no longer there I feel little point. 

I have to say too it feels like progression will be much harder wfh so even the long term goals that might push me along feel pointless. 

I'm looking forward to spending the money I have saved.

Only insane people believe I won't be able to do so.

I haven't saved anything by virtue of using this time to deal with various projects that I would otherwise have struggled to find time to deal with.

I'm with you too.

With no travel, no restaurants, no seeing friends etc. I feel like I'm working long hours to make pointless money in a job that's gone from not bad at all to borderline intolerable because of the removal of all the nice bits.

As Londonhead said, it also feels like there'll be no progression whole this goes on.

I love London and am ambitious at work, but right now it all feels completely pointless and leaves me fantasising about getting a cheap house somewhere rural and working 9-5. In the current circumstances it would be a massive improvement in my life.

I do honestly think this is all temporary, which is why I'm not acting on that, but it's hard sometimes. 

Ironically as I am an avowed LOATHER of lockdown it has made it far far easier to progress our financial goals because the temptation to spend money on funner things is basically completely removed 

but that's not an upside, I would have done that anyway as I have self control 

JM I realised years ago that the key is enough money to have a reasonable life and a job that doesn't impact evenings weekends rather than killing yourself for money that you don't have time to enjoy because you're sending e-mails from your sun lounger on holiday.

I also advocate holidays where you are genuinely uncontactable.  Loved explaining to colleagues that I was going to be racing round the Med on a boat for 4 to 6 days and during that time I'd have no phone signal or internet connection and my phone would be turned off and stuffed in a waterproof bag.

tbf if all of the things that you enjoy in life involve the performative spending of money then maybe reconsider your priorities.

but more generally what hoolie said. we’ve  paid for a new bathroom with what we would have spent on flights in the last year, but I’d rather have done the trips.

I don't really understand what you mean by "Why don't people get this?"

Everyone gets this. Lockdowns are shit. No-one advocates for locking down on the basis that Lockdowns Are Really Good Actually.

Sails I'm in a job where being uncontactable on holiday is accepted. In the normal world I'm quite happy with my job. It's the right combination (for me) of interesting, remunerative and letting me have a life, at least at this stage in my life.

The problem is entirely lockdown related.

There are plenty of things we can and do do without spending money -  especially in London but we can do none of those either.

Even doing things like having 20 people over for a bbq costs money or hosting a dinner party costs money so I’m not really sure what the dig about priorities is about! 

I'm not sure that's true pancakes. Lots of people get it, yes. However, I've spoken to a number of people who seem to think it's not all that bad and there are even positives (beyond the disease control). Maybe they're just saying that as a coping mechanism, but there are plenty out there. 

I'm in a weird position where it's stopped me doing some of the other things I'd like to do but has enabled me to do other things that I wouldn't previously been able to do.

The upside that I could live without in many respects has been being able to be around when dad is in hospital, etc.  At any other time I'd have been stuck in London working trying to take the odd day or two off to come and help out with stuff.  The timing of the original lockdown was serendipitous in that I was sent to work from home as mum had a knee replacement and dad developed heart problems so I was able to be on hand for all of that without having to race back and forth to London.  The original plan was that I'd spend a week looking after dad while mum was in rehab.

Some people genuinely love lockdown. They are the types that would happily live in a dystopian fascist state where they are told what they are allowed to do. They love moralising about social murder committed by people who are hanging by a thread. Last July I was preparing to fly to Spain and I asked my housemate what I should do if I had Covid symptoms before my return flight (tests were not readily available then). She said that the possibility of catching Covid made travel immoral, and that to get on the flight with symptoms was comparable to manslaughter. There are lots of people like this, who are selective about their own lockdown breaches, but highly critical of others. They want to be controlled. Pre-Covid, many of these people had already fully subscribed to cancel culture, and delighted in seeing somebody get eviscerated on Twitter for making a social mis-step. 
 

Lots of people are like that and do not admit it, saying that they are struggling as much as everybody else. A few (for example disability campaigners) say that they prefer lockdown because it makes the lives of the able-bodied nearly as shit as theirs, and that is what they have always wanted.

One of the worst non-selfish things about lockdown from my perspective was that I couldn't go and see my grandfather during the last few months of his life. It wasn't an unwillingness to travel, but he was in a care home and visiting was essentially banned. 

It's made me realise how much money I (and everyone) spaffed on shallow, meaningless stuff like eating out, drinking, etc. I haven't really missed it and no amount of government propaganda will get me spending again once we return to normal. Especially if we're all going to be taxed through the nose.

I think it's because some people who have children (some, not all) basically have resigned to the fact that their own life no longer matters, only that of their children so they happily abstain from any leisure activity. If your main purpose in life is to bring up others then I can see how you might still find meaning in slaving away in front of a screen 24/7 and/or attending to their offspring. 

If however you are single you are, probably, living only for yourself (unless you're caring for relatives etc). And right now it's impossible to "live" - it's only possible to exist. So the question "wtf is the point" is always there, every time I log in to my work email account. 

"There are lots of people like this, who are selective about their own lockdown breaches, but highly critical of others. They want to be controlled. Pre-Covid, many of these people had already fully subscribed to cancel culture, and delighted in seeing somebody get eviscerated on Twitter for making a social mis-step."

 

I think it is absolutely true that lots of people are like this, but on the other hand I don't think a lot - as in a significant proportion of people - are like it. I think social media is full of squawking performative types as you describe and given the current social constraints, we don't see or hear many other perspectives. 

3 Ducks obviously I don't know how much you spend on eating out and drinking, I'm generally fairly moderate I'm it, by god I miss it! Much less of a waste of money than I thought at the time. 

My Amex bill is not far off normal (non lockdown times).

Although bars and restaurants are clearly not happening I have developed an interest in fine wines and premium gins.  

I have also made random purchases like a Sous Vide and one of those light bar things that can do about 100,000 different combinations of colour - which sounds naff but is actually really cool.

In not eating out, drinking, going to cultural activities and sport or going on holiday (along with not commuting and buying food at the office), I've saved about £35,000 so far.

One thing it has really enforced for me is the end of any association I had with left wing politics.

As far as I am concerned there is no way back for Labour now. They will never again have my vote I don't think (they didn't last time cos of JC but I think the damage is permanant)

This from OD seems like hyperbole

"Lots of people are like that and do not admit it, saying that they are struggling as much as everybody else. A few (for example disability campaigners) say that they prefer lockdown because it makes the lives of the able-bodied nearly as shit as theirs, and that is what they have always wanted."

 

but I do think that "bring everyone down to the same level, not up" mentality is a toxic and nagging feature of leftism in this country which has always made me a bit uncomfortable with it

"As far as I am concerned there is no way back for Labour now. They will never again have my vote I don't think (they didn't last time cos of JC but I think the damage is permanant)"

Agree 

if I had kids I would be saving that money to fund them through the bad lives ahead

It’s shit 

On a personal level I miss yoga in the studio, pubs and clubs with mates, cinema, gigs, having people round, the office and drinks after work and lunch with mates and popping to the shops to get some new clothes and jewels and other pretty things, restaurants and date nights, galleries and museums, markets and general variety  

for the kids (and for us as so much of the joy of kids is their joy) I miss softplay, play dates, parties, taking them and watching them at classes and activities, taking them to museums and galleries and markets and flip out and theatre and festivals and all the fun things we used to do with them 

I miss the passing of time of things that I have no real interest in but like to see and hear about in the news.

Yes, we have saved a lot of money and used it well. But I would have far preferred to save less money and have and give richer life experiences 

Completely forgot about travel ! Feels so far away now, but uk and foreign travel. Getting to the coast to see my parents regularly 

It's made me realise how much money I (and everyone) spaffed on shallow, meaningless stuff like eating out, drinking, etc.

This is one reason why I am optimistic about the economic impact and recovery.   

The hospitality industry is essentially all consumption. The net effect of furlough and closing bars and restaurants is that punters have missed some fun and saved lots of money. The government has some extra debt. 

Most manufacturing has carried on.

There has been idle resources in construction which has led to waste.

Most offices have managed to work from home.

Personal services, like hairdressing and gyms, is same as hospitality.

What else is there?  Agriculture, Fishing, energy - very low impact.

Sure many people on furlough have had a loss of earnings.  And there are businesses that won’t come back/will need to be recapitalised.

But the real impact on the economy, not so bad.  Some lost consumption.  Some shift of assets and liabilities

 

pancakes

Labour have been servile collaborators in this

And I am 100pc sure it would be even worse with them in power, with no sign of release ever

Rebecca LB is a zero covid zealot

I do think that "bring everyone down to the same level, not up" mentality is a toxic and nagging feature of leftism in this country which has always made me a bit uncomfortable with it

It is incredibly demotivational - as some point there comes a tipping point where people start to think why bother, if I'm going to be taxed harder, stripped of any assistance and demonised by other people what's the point.

Its actually embarrassing, why aren't we proud of people who do well in things they have worked hard towards (and i don't mean that to be earning a mega-salary - although it does appear negativity is normally directed towards people who are high earning)

So are we just cruising with the idea that our extremely right-wing government with a crushing parliamentary majority are engaged in a massive left-wing conspiracy?

I literally know people who are very pro-lockdown for a number of reasons, some of those reasons have nothing to do with preventing the spread of covid. I fear these people are not in the tiny crazy minority that people on this board seem to think they are.

 

 

Yeah a post on Facebook saying "lockdown is great because busy meetings have been replaced with naps and relaxation, we need a few months of this every year" has gone viral, tells you all you need to know. 

They may look like a right wing government superficially but they are pursuing extreme leftist authoritarian measures copied almost without modification from a communist state .

I mean every other formerly Liberal democratic western gov is doing much the same with small variations but still.

If you consider the actions of the past year to be in any way not authoritarian or leftist enough then I dread to think what would qualify in your book. Put it that way 

 

Spain doesn't have lockdown atm. 

Some article, commenting on the situation, says: 

'“People are fed up with making sacrifices that take us nowhere because they see that they will have to repeat them,” Macip said.'

It's exactly how I feel; surprised the majority don't feel the same. Furlough packages probably fatter in the UK compared with Espana. 

What's not to get? You're bored and a bit stir-crazy?

That's,  um, it. You'll live...

he lives on his own

you understand that isolation literally kills primates?

Covid, also, literally kills primates. You do also know that the isolation we suffer at the moment is watered down with media, telephones, internets etc don't you?

Water can kill primates in enough volume. 

No-one is saying it's ideal, no-one is saying it's great, but the idea that it is instantly fatal is massive shibboleth.

There is some serious cobblers on this thread. The idea that this government is a "leftist" government becuase it's authoritarian sums it up.

I fear these people are not in the tiny crazy minority that people on this board seem to think they are.
 

If anything people on this board way overestimate how much people like lockdown as opposed to tolerating it.

Just heh @ “this is the end of my association with leftist politics”. Some people really only see what they want to see.

I am certain that lockdown has severely impacted my brain chemistry, and that of every person I have interacted with on real life. It will probably all go back to the way it was but it will take some time.

Could be Chimp.

I see survey results on random web politcally neutral pages like Yahoo!UK or what not that give 80%+ in favour of strict restrictions continuing into the summer. And worse results in the area of travel restrictions where overwhelmingly people are fine if travel never comes back if you believe these results.

 

 

But that doesn’t say anything about whether they just enjoy it for its own sake.

Obstrep-thingy. In what way?Everything you do and  learn "affects your brain's chemistry". And why do you think it has?

I'm loving the way Boris' actions are forcing someone to part with "leftist" ways.

"the idea that it is instantly fatal is massive shibboleth."

pardon?

it's not instantly fatal, except for the people who killed themselves in panic at the beginning, but it is fatal

and it maims

and covid is a natural disease, not something inflicted by our fellow man

I feel depressed in a way I have only previously experienced by bereavement. I am constantly distracted (hello ROF) and seemingly need as much time resting after doing some work as the work itself, eg 30 minutes of work and a 30 minute break. Others have said the same thing to me. 
 

I can’t say I’ve experienced this directly but I also suspect that there’s going to be a lot of anxiety about going back to normal. So even while we complain about not being able to go out and meet people, when we are able to we actually won’t want to. It’ll be too stimulating and feel wrong to our brains so used to staying indoors every day not meeting people. While we hate our current existence, it also feels safe and we have forgotten the ways in which we used to enjoy things we did. Friendships and relationships are strained and may be broken because we feel like we haven’t maintained them. Our brains believe we didn’t maintain them because we never valued them, rather than because we were unable to. There is a decent body of research on human confabulation. That is when you do something, and then come up with a reason as to why you did it, when there was an external cause for it. Motivation is often caused by action when we like to think they are the other way around. 
 

I think, for adults, we will all go back to the way we were, but children could be significantly developmentally affected. One of my friend’s children started school in September 2019, he should now be coming up to his third year, but instead he thinks that his school days are over now, he has graduated and living his life at home, and he’s nearly 6. That’s got to have an impact that going back to school in a few weeks is not going to fix.

Our brains believe we didn’t maintain them because we never valued them, rather than because we were unable to.
 

I think this is a bit of a stretch.

1) shibboleth- irrelevance.

2) covid is a natural disease. Do you have your BCG? Your polio jab? Do you go to the doctors when ill? The fact that something is natural is an insane piece of double-think. It's "natural" for people to die of famine - do you wish to prevent farming too?

"It maims"... really? Evidence? How often? How many? For how long? (And as for primates "literally dying" of isolation, what level of distraction, virtual company etc did they have?)

Covid kills, and "maims" as you melodramatically put it, too.

You know that scene at the end of 1984 when Winston and Julia meet each other again having both been tortured and betrayed the other? That is going to be all of us meeting up with friends and family in the near future. We have all been so fooked up mentally and emotionally that we are ashamed of who we are and we will feel a need to go away and fix ourselves before returning to our social lives. We will also feel neglected by the people we haven’t been seeing.

 

A bit of hyperbole there for the ROF literalists. I do think it will be reversible in adults but there will be a long period of getting back to a normal mental condition for many people after this.

I have thought about 1984 a lot over the last 12 months 

how meeting in the countryside and falling in love became a radical act 

oh how we laughed 

You know that scene at the end of 1984 when Winston and Julia meet each other again having both been tortured and betrayed the other? That is going to be all of us meeting up with friends and family in the near future.
 

Heh. Alright, ah’m oot.

Met a friend for a walk and 2 kids in local schools have ended their lives recently due to lockdown pressures. 
 

this is a direct and awful consequence of lockdown.