‘No plan to set up an EU army’

This is driven by Mr Trump and the perception that NATO is not going to remain an effective system for much longer given the nutjobs who run the US Republican party.  

It has almost nothing to do with Brexit and nothing to do with the alleged aspirations of various parties for more power in Brussels.  

It's also a very poor solution to EU security issues as military matters do not permit a long discussion and political manoeuvring between national capitals of the 27.  But nobody an currently come up with a better one.  

It leaves everybody in practice dependent on France and the UK for their military security as the other European states have no modern armed forces with warfighting capability.  

That article is talking about a nato style alliance for territorial defence, increasing demorcatic reform in europe and supporting procurement from european defence cos

Isnt that everything you've been demanding britain needs to do Elphi?

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There has been a european army since the 1980s

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Are there literally any brexiteers who don't view brexit as a bad ww2 film?

A european army would be ace. Our lads would be actually dangerous with some decent German kit.

the frogs presumably would just bring some croissants

Italians would look mighty fine. Make love not war. 

Why does this bother ppl?

The possibility of teaming up with other countries and sharing military resources is one of the things that is unquestionably positive

many people would see it as completely different to NATO, another EU power grab and another move in a federalist direction.

ie not positive at all.

many people would see it as completely different to NATO, another EU power grab and another move in a federalist direction.

As long as the UK wants to perpetuate the self-destructive fantasy that it is a major global player who can stand alone, apart from the rest of the world then you might be right.  But that's just spin.  We would have been chewed up by Germany without the USSR and the USA but we still tell ourselves "we won the war".  We will be chewed up now unless we have allies we can rely on - and that means we have to be reliable to.

This can just as easily spun the opposite way if our media and politicians choose to do that.

And big heh at "many people".  Straight out of a Trump tweet.

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many people would see it as completely different to NATO, another EU power grab and another move in a federalist direction.

ie not positive at all.

Then they would be morons.

Are there any non-moronic reasons for concern?

The possibility of teaming up with other countries and sharing military resources is one of the things that is unquestionably positive

This already happens every day in continental Europe. It's nothing new really.

Then they would be morons.

Not sure why you are using the conditional tense here.

Lol @ us needing the US and russkies in WW2. We had the krauts right where we wanted them. 

Lol @ us needing the US and russkies in WW2. We had the krauts right where we wanted them. 

Wry heh.

Military cooperation is a good thing and, as Anna says, it already happens a lot. So, why do we need to replace the current set up with an EU army? This is not driven by military rationale. It is driven by politics, which is why it is a mistake. Just like the Euro was driven by politics instead of economics and is also a mistake.

Thanks, that’s much better.

On what basis are you saying that they (both the Euro and a united military) are driven by politics? 

There’s plenty of evidence to suggest differently, so it is not as clear cut as you state.

Incidentally, the Euro is looking stronger now than ever, back from the brink of 2014-16.

 

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Military cooperation is a good thing and, as Anna says, it already happens a lot. So, why do we need to replace the current set up with an EU army? This is not driven by military rationale. It is driven by politics, which is why it is a mistake. Just like the Euro was driven by politics instead of economics and is also a mistake.

 

 

 

cos UK and US can no longer be relied on