Mark Field assaults female protester at Mansion House

Wonder if he’ll resign?

Seemed to know what he was doing. Out of the seat and hand round neck in one deft move. 

Perhaps he should be removed from the House of Commons using the the same technique

Horrible to watch. I wonder if that's the first time he's set about a woman like that? Doubt it. 

Not a good look based on what has been seen on BBC TV so far.

However, there's no indication in the clip they're using of what happened first or how much time he had to process what was happening. It's barely a year since the Westminster Bridge and Borough Market attacks and it's very obvious, e.g. from the ISIS cases, that women are as capable of fanatical violence as men. Had he had time to realise the actual nature of the situation? His reaction isn't a good fighting move and is typical of an instinctive defensive reaction to attack. This method of provoking people into violence for PR purposes is also hardly an unknown activist method especially when it appeals to sexist stereotypes. If it had been a knife wielding "sister" of Shamima Begum with a fake bomb strapped to her the reaction would be completely different.

She didn't have a knife, or a bomb and he had plenty of time to work that out whilst frog matching her out of the room by her neck. 

He was just angry the uppity woman was interrupting his dinner. 

Oh no was she a poor little woman? In that case she was EnTitLEd to do whatever she wants on account of having a foo foo.

if it were a man he grabbed you wouldn't be having this debate which makes you all Sexists.

Also the BBC is going hard on this because she was a climate change protester and the BBC presents a political view on that topic in flagrant breach of its remit of impartiality 

Funnily enough not he or any other Tory MP tried to intervene when that guy launched himself onto the stage at TMPM (a harmless comedian but no one knew that eh)

i wonder what the diff is?

(yes point shamelessly stolen from marina Hyde)

Massive Fuckwit is Mark Field’s PR aicm photograph of Liz Truss. 

interesting point u make about the beeb hotnow, which no frother has ever made before (in “flagrant” ignorance of the beeb’s quite firm right wing stance over the last few years)

but i’m intrigued as to how u propose the beeb shows more impartiality on climate change? should they have articles praising destruction of the world, highlighting the medicinal qualities of fossil fuel pollutants and extolling the benefits of rising sea levels and forest fires? flagrant indeed

I mean I hate protesters they're so smug this was just a suspiciously automatic response

Oracle - I've never seen a nuanced debate about climate change on the Beeb e.g discussing what the alternatives to fossil fuels are what the cost is, who pollutes the most on a gross and a per capita basis, which countries are at what stage in their development (industry, post-industrial) what he forward looking curves are for population and energy consumption, what alternatives to lifestyle are (substitution possibilities of e.g. meat, long distance travel, cargo ships which are main polluters). Instead it's just some west London liberal producer getting a few talking heads on to whinge and moan.

They were getting pelters for calling it a so called climate emergency last week

hotnow my point is what is there to debate? everyone knows climate change comes at a cost - fossil fuels are cheap - the beeb is as good as any organisation at highlighting that

we also all know that pollutants and co2 is predominantly emitted by wealthy countries and that being carbon neutral by 2050 is a bit bullshit given we will in large part export our carbon

there’s just nothing to debate

so howling that the beeb is not being impartial (especially given that it actually gives a platform to climate change “sceptic” pseudoscientists) is both lollersome and missing the point

This was totally justified and not excessive force at all. If a protection officer had done the same he'd just be doing his job. Faux outrage from the liberal press non-shocka.

This was totally justified and not excessive force at all. If a protection officer had done the same he'd just be doing his job. Faux outrage from the liberal press non-shocka.

I suppose the point I'm making is the BBC focusses almost entirely on the 'bad' side of the equation and ignores the 'how are we going to replicate the good side which has given us hospitals and nice holidays' side of the equation

I don't think they should get nutty scientist funded by BP on. I think they should get real and stop pathetic virtue signalling

oh totally, that's a flaw in all climate protest rhetoric

"we must CHANGE"

"ok what changes have you made?"
 

"I don't mean ME"

i think most people can work out for themselves that fossil fuels have helped modernise the world

repeating that is not really news

they do seem to need guidance to the realisation that they personally will no longer be able to have nice things, though

not gonna happen tho is it

and all that does is invite them to pretend they know and are happy with that

Oracle I bet you like a nice Avocado they come here on ships which burn the fag end of the oil fracking process which looks and smells like tar. All that sulphur and co2 and toxins into the atmosphere. Enjoy your smashie on sourdough bud.

looks like assault to me

no way that woman was a threat to anyone

The rational part of me says that there is nothing wrong in preventing a potential attack and that he may well have thought she was dangerous, in which case the level of force was justified (with the caveat that a short clip never tells the whole story).

But I just feel from his demeanour that he acted more angrily than defensively and conclude that he was, indeed, being a bell end.

Query whether he’d have taken the same approach with a 250lb bloke.

she looked like a peaceful protester

and he looked like a thug

I await him parading his wife in public to show what a great husband he is 

So the take away is that members of the public should just let protesters into their event and not get involved? 

To be fair I wouldn't get involved but it's the death of the 'have a go hero'

I think he's getting a rough time. When the other fellow jumped in after the terrorist attack, he was praised as a hero. For all anyone knew, this could have been a similar situation. He used force but in a controlled and safe way until he was able to make a better assessment.

Or this:

"The rational part of me says that there is nothing wrong in preventing a potential attack and that he may well have thought she was dangerous, in which case the level of force was justified (with the caveat that a short clip never tells the whole story)."

 

"Funnily enough not he or any other Tory MP tried to intervene when that guy launched himself onto the stage at TMPM (a harmless comedian but no one knew that eh)"

He was thrown out of the conference centre.

She walked into the room with a group of people all dressed the same way who announced they were from greenpeace. She then walked behind his chair. I cannot see how he could reasonably have perceived any threat to himself or anyone else. 

Yes he was removed from the conference centre. But not by an MP leaping up and heroically choke slamming him against a pillar. They all just sat there 

Fair point, they were a bit lame. Not sure that's a reflection on Field's actions though. It seemed pretty proportionate to me in the face of an unknown threat.

The issue I have is not the initial restraint and detention of her, but the way he kept jostling and pushing her about over a sustained period whilst he “led” her out the room.

what chance she had a weapon surely everyone went through a detector and was searched?

Totally staged

Field just guiding her out of the room

They won't stop until everyone is forced to pay for security 

  People  watch the ice east of Resolute. The old dirty ice stopped melting and the sheet hasn't been breaking up in recent years like it's supposed to according to the "experts" in the scientific priesthood. So much for the "North West Passage" and the Arctic "free of ice by 2015" and "Our children will never see snow."  Crock of ****. Locals laugh at the Fake News.

The weather was hotter in the 50s and colder in the 70s. There are 12 year cycles, 25.5yr cycles, 60+yr cycles, all the way up to 26K and 600K yr cycles. Add to that cyclicly variable solar and cosmic radiation levels.

That's why CO2 is a following indicator.

Solar cycle 25 will have the lowest number of sunspots in 200 years; which is currently ZERO:

Sun Spots: 0 as of 06/17/2019 :: 10.7-cm Flux: 66 SFU
(SFU=Solar Flux Units)

Grand Solar Minimums have ALWAYS brought floods and cooler temps (crop failure) to the Northern Hemisphere.

2019 is no exception, and neither will be 2020.
 

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Oracle I bet you like a nice Avocado they come here on ships which burn the fag end of the oil fracking process which looks and smells like tar. All that sulphur and co2 and toxins into the atmosphere. Enjoy your smashie on sourdough bud.

hotnow m7, in ur rageyness u appear to have mistaken me for a climate change protestor rather than someone merely pointing out that on this occasion ur criticism of the beeb was a bit incoherent

ps love a good avo on toast with a poachie, who doesn’t. and wot. i’m not going to prevent climate change on my own

I wouldn't be surprised if at a City invitation only event the only security was Hammond's personal protection officer and they just assumed everyone else was the right sort who wouldn't turn up with a bomb.

There’s a good chance that Hammond had no armed rozzers with him.

Only the PM, Home Sec, Defence and NI Sec get them as a matter of course. Beyond that it is done on a case by case basis and to respond to any particular threat.

So far as I can see our Phil hasn’t particularly annoyed anyone (apart from Treeeza)

On GMTV they were saying he along with those you mentioned has a personal protection team

It was a proportionate response to a threat.  He should not have apologised. 

I have been wondering ever since the bojo story how much personal protection teams have to sit through

like, they accompany those guys on their affairs? must be so demeaning

there wasn't a threat

there was literally zero threat, they had announced they were from greenpeace

right I am going to say I think there is a tiny percentage of a chance that the group of people moving into the hall like that triggered some sort of Bataclan fear freak the fuck out resulting in moronic (and still criminal I am just talking about the morality of it here) response

Fair enough.

Assuming GMTV is right maybe he has annoyed someone (or the rules have changed since I used to know more about this stuff).

ps surely foreign always got too (minister of mi6 etc)

bojo definitely had

sitting at the table opposite while he wooed the detestable Carrie

Where was the assault?

Mansion House. It even says so in the title of the thread.

Did they not have security to stop them getting in? 

Since when was aggravated trespass a peaceful protest? 

If you are going to disrupt people expect to get a bit of push back. 

He seems like an angry thug though. 

 

The assault was grabbing her by her throat and shoving her against a pillar, then marching her out whilst still holding her by the throat. 

But you knew that 

My knowledge predates that by a few years and so I shall defer to you as you appear to be more au courant on such matters

"I don't think they should get nutty scientist funded by BP on. I think they should get real and stop pathetic virtue signalling"

Hotnow, presumably you are not an avid listener of the Today programme, in which Jon Harrumphrys spends most of his time on air shouting at climate change activists about the sacrifices they are asking 'ordinary people' to make so they can feel better about themselves.

Surely this clearly an assault, there was no physical threat to him,she was just trying to walk past.   It seems to me in view of the high profile of the assault and the perpetrator that a criminal prosecution is essential.

It was an assault

the next question is whether he has a defence. unclear what defence he says he has. The only one that comes to mind is self defence.

the secret barrister's summary of the legal issues arising in relation to self defence:

  • A person acting in genuine self-defence is entitled to use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances as he believes them to be. This provides a defence to any charge of violence, up to and including the use of lethal force;
  • The first question that a jury must ask is Did the defendant believe or may he have believed that it was necessary to use force to defend himself an attack or imminent attack on himself or others or to protect property or prevent crime?
  • The second question is Was the amount of force D used reasonable in the circumstances, including the dangers as D believed them to be?
  • The burden is on the prosecution to disprove self-defence. It is not for a defendant to prove that he was acting in self-defence. The prosecution have to prove beyond reasonable doubt (so that a jury is sure) that the defendant was not acting in reasonable self-defence.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/04/05/bashing-burglars-and-the-law-of-self-defence/

Unfortunately, when you watch the video you cannot help but be shocked with the speed of the response and aggressive manner in which it was executed. It indicates that he is used to manhandling women in this way. 

Do public figures not understand that they must be very careful of every action they take as they will be judged to a higher level? The guy is a white English elitist khunt no doubt, and probably a descendant of those who helped build the British Empire. Pompous twat who deserves everything he gets - you do not man handle women in that way, ever.

He clearly lost his temper big time , this was no mere restraint.

“and still criminal”

Really?  Even if he doesn’t win on perceived self defence (which is fundamentally subjective) he’s entitled to use reasonable force to eject a trespasser. 

It was a stupid, brutish over reaction but I’m pretty certain it’s not criminal. 

"probably a descendant of those who helped build the British Empire"

We all are.

Apart from you, you gnocchi-munching poltroon.

It's not unarguable that he acted in self-defence and there are bound to be a % that think this is the case but most seem to be coming down on the side of disproportionate force.  I wouldn't lose much sleep though if he didn't face any consequences; I also think that when you disrupt something uninvited you can expect resistance (whether or not your cause is just).

We all are.

No we aren't. Foreigns are taking over. Now you're the minority. Revenge for years of English colonialism. Foreigns came in and took over from within. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Italian if he's the usual older Tory golf club type he probably man handles anyone that way regardless of sex.

So I can just walk into any private event anywhere and anyone who prevents me is assaulting me? Rubbish.

Italian guy - everyone is foreign even the English. I genuinely don't know anyone who isn't a bit of a mix.

lol at the suggestion that this was a potential terrorist attack or that he feared for his safety or any such bollocks

So as far as I can tell:

1. Regardless of any flurry of questions/ concerns/ outrage , there’s literally no chance that any investigation / arrest/ charge would hit the prospect of success standard required for the CPS to take this forward .

2. Most of those crying for the MPs arrest and criminal prosecution would not apply the same standards to security staff had they done the same 

3. None of those screaming blue bloody murder have spent any time watching how security  at most busy town centres pubs /clubs operate every other Saturday 

4. None of the above matters to everyone upset with the Tory

*shrugs*

Ah I remember him now. This is the fellow who had an affair with the lovely Elizabeth Truss.

Re. Asturias' point 3 I have certainly been escorted out of establishments in a far more aggressive manner that included using my head to open a door.

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So I can just walk into any private event anywhere and anyone who prevents me is assaulting me? Rubbish.

 

Well depending on how they go about it they very well could be, as has been the law in this country for quite some time.

 

does his demeanour suggest at all to you that he thought he might be about to be murdered by a terrorist fanatic, or does it suggest that he's removing an annoyance

Did the defendant believe or may he have believed that it was necessary to use force to defend himself an attack or imminent attack on himself or others or to protect property or prevent crime?

 

It's quite plausible to perceive these activists were in the process of committing a crime and were intending to commit further crimes. 

 

Greenpeace activists have been prosecuted before for aggravated trespass and hopefully this rabble will face the same.

And they're like, it's better than yours...

"So I can just walk into any private event anywhere and anyone who prevents me is assaulting me? Rubbish."

No you have drawn the entirely wrong conclusion from what people are saying.

 

HTH

Oh and heh at Wibble for following so predictably his modus operandi of calling anyone he disagrees with stupid while in the process ably demonstrating his own inability to grasp, well, almost anything really.

If a far right nutter had stormed the stage at the annual greenpeace black tie bash they would have received similar treatment  and everyone present would say 'what a brave soul Tarquin is for removing that untermensch'

Ah now you see hotnow you have materially changed the underlying facts there by having a "far right nutter storm the stage".

I'm bloody good at this.

Hands round neck is a huge red flag for domestic violence.  What a ladypart.  I see he has now been suspended.  Good.

SHE COULD HAVE HAD A MILKSHAKE IN THAT BAG  ... or battery acid

It's the shove then the grab that gives it away. There was no element of self-defence or protection of human life here. It was uncontrolled anger and completely unnecessary in the circumstances.

Oh he was very much in control. This was a choice 

Not sure how you are qualified to be the moral arbiter here Linda you're easily the most aggressive poster on here