Managing staff is the worst

I have one member of staff who keeps undermining everything I do, it is so frustrating

If you were in the Army, you'd have hundreds. Pls deal.

in the army you could make them drop and give u 20 tho

my worst ever management experience was a team of Polish accountants. They were all about 23 and fucking brilliant and I just could not be arsed with working as hard as they did.

Then we all got made redundant.

on the other hadn I can use the whole experience as an example of change management experience (even though all I did was have a brilliant team)

In the next team meeting simply press the button that opens the flap under their chair and drops then into your James Bond villain style flaming pit.

"in the army you could make them drop and give u 20 tho"

I've done that with trainees before tbf

I do think being a woman manager is a genuine PITA because people take the piss in a way they just would not with men. I don't know what the answer is. Did those books hold any clues, pheebs?

I have this weird thing where 2 of the team I lead are actually more senior than me. They seem cool with it and I guess they are just enjoying a spell being worker bees while I have the hassle of actually doing all the management crap.

No I haven't asked any of them to give me 20.

Correction- managing compliance staff is the worst. 

Annual appraisals and salary increases were always the worst. Most members of the team were fine, but there was always the same one who came into my office later on and complained that they weren't being payed enough.

One time they said they could do my job. Well, predictably they left. They somehow got a Head of BD job at some small firm. Others in the team thought it was a joke, they can't do it, they must have been a bit gobby and claimed credit for others' work.

I found out later that she lasted less than six weeks in that firm.

Isn't being a bit gobby and claiming credit for others' work the BD motto?

It’s funny because it’s invariably true.  Worst for it are lawyers who fancy themselves as rainmakers, have a tendency for half a dozen different lawyers to claim credit for bringing in one deal or another.  

@chambers being head of BD must be a poison chalice, and lose lose . Lawyers will never give you credit for being involved in a successful pitch , whilst carping on about you getting paid hundreds of thousands for doing little more than doing PP presentations

they don't do anything tho it is MADNESS

PP presentations and being a dick about the plain english policy

WHY WOULD AN EIGHT YEAR OLD BE READING ABOUT LLPs?

I bet

waffle waffle OH YOU MUST MEET ROBERT HE'S MAHVELLOUS

I have one member of staff who keeps undermining everything I do, it is so frustrating

 How are they undermining you? Genuine question, so we can work out what strategies might help to stop it/head it off.

I did it for years. I think I got paid danger money for diving in the deep end with sharks. I could mostly handle it.

The lady I mentioned couldn't. Ambition is good, but without ability, you won't get very far.

"I think I got paid danger money for diving in the deep end with sharks."

M8, you worked in an office trying to drum up work for a bunch of lawyers. You're not Jacques Cousteau.

Never forget - only Chambo can be the big brioche.

You'd last five minutes in that environment in a mega-firm 3-Ducks. You haven't worked in any have you? People would ask me why have you hired some Dickensian throwback.

I think the hardest part about doing BD would be turning up every day to do a job that wasn't a real thing

I say this as someone who is currently giving advice on Brexit tax

Guys, if I was boasting I would point out that I manage about 40 people!

Maybe she isn't undermining me, may be she is just being a dick.

- she has had two meetings with my line manager (the fact he hasn't mentioned them to me makes me think he also thinks her a dick)

- she tells me she is too busy and overworked, so I take some work off her and adjust deadlines then in this weeks team meeting she announces she has taken on another project ( I had to talk to her outside the meeting about that)

- if I wasn't in my office bang on time (maybe I bumped into a colleugue on the way in and got chatting etc) she will pop in later and say I was worried you weren't coming in today as I happened to notice as you weren't here on time

I was being sarcy tbh phoebes.  It sounded like you were only managing one person heh.

She is clearly after your job, bin her as soon as you get the chance.  If necessary steer her towards an upwards sideways move to another department and give her a great reference.  You need shot of her.

if I wasn't in my office bang on time (maybe I bumped into a colleugue on the way in and got chatting etc) she will pop in later and say I was worried you weren't coming in today as I happened to notice as you weren't here on time

ffs!  classic passive-aggressive. 

She sounds a non-team-playing, controlling, attention-seeking nightmare.  

OP, do you work at a firm/business where people note what time you arrive? If so bloody grim that.

she sounds like a megadick

40 people! that is impressiveloads.

Massive heh at Chambo's danger money comment.

Feebs 40 is way more people than I have responsibility for.

I love some of these comments. Its a billion dollar global business and I'm supposed to be kind of steering it in a way forwards.

But you're sitting in a cubicle doing something or other and have a Law Degree (I'll have you know, there's usually a bit of that). The times I've had that indignation when they find out how much I'm being paid.

I usually got up from my desk and said 'Be my guest, sit down and take over'.

There weren't many takers.

Phoebe, do you work in IT I presume, and do you have responsibility for managing 40 people on a day to day basis who report to you directly?

chambers as I said being head of BD /Marketing is a thankless task. I have often heard it said by Lawyers " don't these BD guys realise we are the product , not them"

I think law firms need BD/Marketing bods, just not as many as they do, and certainly don't need to be paying severeal hundred grand a year to a head of BD, whose tangible contribution is often hard to decipher.

But you're sitting in a cubicle doing something or other

er, providing the service that the billion dollar global business is selling?

 

40 is undoable. Between 5-8 reports is ideal. Maybe they have teams too but you can't have 40 direct reports.

- she has had two meetings with my line manager (the fact he hasn't mentioned them to me makes me think he also thinks her a dick)

Have you spoken to him about them?

- she tells me she is too busy and overworked, so I take some work off her and adjust deadlines then in this weeks team meeting she announces she has taken on another project ( I had to talk to her outside the meeting about that)

Follow up the removal of work with an email and copy your line manager in and ask her to let you know when she has capacity for more so you can consider everyone in the team's needs as well.

- if I wasn't in my office bang on time (maybe I bumped into a colleugue on the way in and got chatting etc) she will pop in later and say I was worried you weren't coming in today as I happened to notice as you weren't here on time

Ask her when it became her job to clock watch you. Does she want to be micromanaged in the same way? You're more than happy to oblige, then suggest having daily meetings, as she's so overworked and you want to make sure she's ok.

Speak to your line manager about her.

fear not I do not have 40 direct reports, only five

 

If I had to do all 40 appraisals that would kill me

Chambo when you've literally had to take a course in unarmed combat before a meeting because the other person might try and kill you then you can talk to me about danger money.

Chambo was it because you'd done a wee on your chair?

Feebs I feel quite hot at the idea of you being my boss. Let's action this 

- if I wasn't in my office bang on time (maybe I bumped into a colleugue on the way in and got chatting etc) she will pop in later and say I was worried you weren't coming in today as I happened to notice as you weren't here on time

Interesting. I'm sure you're worried that I'm never going home when I work late too?

"Why would the BD monkey be hiring the solicitors?"

heh

Bam, wanna shoot some things at me and see what sticks?

To be fair Tom plenty of people want to kill you so surprised it's taken you this long to has some self-defence training.

- she has had two meetings with my line manager (the fact he hasn't mentioned them to me makes me think he also thinks her a dick)

I'd be concerned as to why he hasn't mentioned it to you. It's reasonable to expect him to put her in her place about the attempt at undermining you.

- she tells me she is too busy and overworked, so I take some work off her and adjust deadlines then in this weeks team meeting she announces she has taken on another project ( I had to talk to her outside the meeting about that)

What Dusty said.

- if I wasn't in my office bang on time (maybe I bumped into a colleugue on the way in and got chatting etc) she will pop in later and say I was worried you weren't coming in today as I happened to notice as you weren't here on time

Tell her sweetly that one could be mistaken for thinking she's attempting to undermine you/being subordinate with her comments about your time-keeping taken with some of her other conduct, but you are sure that was not what she's intending. Tell her that you've assured others that she isn't trying to be a disruptive troublemaker, because that would obviously mean may need more intervening management, but she may need to be careful of the perception she's creating.

You need to work on your death stare.

This I can help with.