Madrid, Barca, Milan, Juve

Clinging on.

Make then pariahs.

Ban from CL.

Barca might finally get independence from their European overloads. Pep will be happy.

 

All 12 are pariahs m7

All should be banned from the CL

ubelieveable what these dodgy euro clubs will try and get away with

you'd never catch english teams getting involved in a grubby affair like this

There really is a case for a Spanish/Italian superleague though perhaps a couple of the bigger French clubs. That could hurt the Premier League. How much money can there really be in Serie A etc.  

Deffo think a points deduction for all participants is warranted. Double for Chelsea and Liverpool. Just because.

I think the English Premier league works fine as it is. If some clubs are complaining about playing too many games, scrap the League Cup. Pointless competition. And replays in the FA Cup.

Can't speak for the continental leagues.

Tom, having checked the prem table I think we could get on board with a 10 point deduction for all six teams, don't you?

Would also have hehsome results in Spain.

I was actually thinking credit should be given for early withdrawal, so 8 points for city and Chelsea, and 20 points for the rest.

*scrutinises table*

*dares to dream*

Yes I think we could live with that. It would leave Chelsea above Leeds, which would be a shame. But no, I remind myself of City's previous history with Leeds as taught to me by brother Davos.

Milan are a follower on this and were always going to go whichever way the wind blows. Elliott just want their money back on the club with maybe a bit of upside; the club is already probably saleable for more than they’ve staked, so they just need to hold on. They couldn’t afford to miss out on a viable superleague but equally, they can’t stick around to be tarnished by an unviable one. They are risk averse.

Juve are presumably only still on to save face for Agnelli. His behaviour has been egregious given his family’s century-long stewardship of the club. As a patrician you’re supposed to be above this stuff. It’s like if Prince Edward tried to float Buckingham Palace on the Stock Exchange because an investment banker he was at school with told him it was a good idea.

The people who were going to die in a ditch over this were always going to be the Spanish big two. Barcelona really need, or think they need, an ESL, because the club or at least its leadership is wedded to Catalan independence. Now obviously Catalan independence is never gonna happen, but Barca are shit scared in case it does. And if Barca need to get into a european super league then so do Madrid - like a superhero rescuing his archenemy from certain death, without one another these two are [email protected].

Barca and RM need it because financially they're totally fvcked.

Barca and RM are, I assume, going to sue Chelsea et al.

I'm so looking forward to the Spanish rozzers trying to seize team coaches and whatnot.

that’s the bit i don’t get

the initial announcement sed it was a binding agreement

now the english clubs have become unbound

someone is therefore lying/has been badly advised

The ESL is a club for liars, founded on the basis of lies.

They’ve been planning this for at least a year. That whole time they’ve been openly lying to UEFA, various committees they sit on, to other clubs, to their own staff and players etc. I mean spurs have even managed to convince people they belong in that group ffs. All lies.

that said, id love it Keegan style if they get hefty penalties for leaving, and then also get points deductions from the EPL

there’s no way they will get points deductions seriously, is there? other than say some words (then retract them) they don’t actually appear to have done anything

UK govt basically scared Ahu Dhabi govt and russian exile, not hard to believe.

Not even sure a yank corporation fancies battling the UK govt in court.

Apparently the financial penalities for withdrawing are huge and the losses are colossal. Could be sued for billions?

tbf barca and rm might have played this beautifully

they’ll never suffer opprobrium at home cos their own league is so massively stacked in their favour

and every1 else already thinks they’r massive aunts. barca more so, they r proper brexters

and now they r going to look to get a windfall by suing the other clubs for break fees

According to one of the United podcasts i listen to, the anger in Spain and Italy has been far less than England. 

 

yeah, cos their leagues r nowhere near as flush

plus they don’t have the same concept of fair play

I agree that it was not the fans reaction that caused the ESL to be scuppered, but rather the reaction of the UK government above all. They could easily have killed it on the visa and travel front for non-snactioned events etc and that action would have probably be seen as perfectly legal. 

According to one of the United podcasts i listen to, the anger in Spain and Italy has been far less than England. 

Think that might be in part because the main news papers are basically propaganda vehicles for the Spanish big 2.

Over here there was a massive media outpouring of hate for the ESL, fronted by the vested interest of Neville / Carragher.

JP Morgan throwing out law suits left right and centre. 

Breach of contract - financial penalties for leaving and obviously huge losses of income/profit.

Love to see it. Plus they'll be banned from the CL for 2-3 years

I'm sure they will do a deal but will be interesting as the listed companies - Juve and United - will have to disclose it.

any actual reporting of these law suits as a real thing? it sounds very unlikely. 

heh @ that poster from a chelsea fan. you couldn't make some of this stuff up

There will be no serious penalties for the big 6. They didn't actually resign from the EPL and they are still voting members. The other clubs also well know that it is principally because of the big 6 that the big TV money exists. Without them the whole league will be in financial difficulty so the others will avoid p*ssing off the big 6 in any way which risks renewing the breakaway thoughts and discussions. 

If you think otherwise, you can just dream on.......

Heh at chelski and Citeh fans.

Heh at football being competitive now.

There will be no serious penalties for the big 6.

yes there will be, momentum very much growing in that direction

they didn't actually resign from the EPL and they are still voting members

they signed a breakaway agreement. doesn't matter that it fell apart. the broke the rules and will be punished.

The other clubs also well know that it is principally because of the big 6 that the big TV money exists. 

so? breakaway dreams are dead now. the government will block any breakaway through legislation. plus it is clear the players don't want it either. the blew their shot, they won't get another any time soon.

but i am loving fans of the the sly 6 like you thinking your clubs will just get away with this. as with the ESL, you've totally underestimated how angry people are about this

If the big 6 started 20 points down that would improve competition.

Or if FFP existed and was enforced.

Neither will happen.

don't they would deduct points as that could lead to arsenal being relegated.

suspect it will be a ban from european places being awarded to them for 1 or 2 seasons.

although given points deductions have been given to clubs who have broken financial rules, no reason why they should be levied at those who have broken other rules around signing up for non sanctioned tournaments

Ban them for European competitions? UEFA have just changed the rules so they never miss out.

If they did, they'd have a load of extra time for a super league.

Really doubt there will be any punishment. Sky's outrage only lasted until they're safely back into the competitions Sky have paid for the rights to. 

Ban them for European competitions? UEFA have just changed the rules so they never miss out.

The PL decides how qualification spots are awarded, not UEFA.

If they did, they'd have a load of extra time for a super league.

Good luck to them trying. How did that work out last time?

Heh at fans of mid-low table plodders wankrupting themselves at the idea they might benefit from sanctions against the sly 6. 

Not wellers - the amendments to UCL (going through this week), allow UEFA to award slots based on UEFA's own coefficient - which was calculated using big clubs formula at the request of big clubs who didn't want to miss out on UCL revenue.

So essentially a team like Liverpool will get UCL even if they finish outside top 4. 

No fan outrage it seems? 

English football could get 6 teams in UCL if (when) United and Liverpool finish outside top 4. 

Heh at fans of mid-low table plodders wankrupting themselves at the idea they might benefit from sanctions against the sly 6. 

we will benefit. we get to see interesting teams in europe and we get to see you khunts suffer

It's great to see the UK government lobbying on behalf of Sky. 

Not wellers - the amendments to UCL (going through this week), allow UEFA to award slots based on UEFA's own coefficient - which was calculated using big clubs formula at the request of big clubs who didn't want to miss out on UCL revenue.

1. PL can still pass rules to block it

2. UEFA already rowing back on that proposal apparently

3. There are 2 "heritage" spots allowed, doesn't really help 6 teams.....

There's been lots of fan anger about the shitty CL changes, though not as much for obvious reasons.

One funny rumour is that the influential committees in UEFA are starting to push back and reconsider the CL rule changes, because representatives of the clubs that wanted them all quit their committee roles. 

The sly six have lost their power / voice at least in the short term. These is an appetite to put through changes which fvcks them. 

love to see it.

and their fans are absolutely raging about it, which is even better

Dipper fans have already forgiven FSG. No surprise there.

According to Price of Football Podcast, UEFA have just taken out a massive loan to give cash to the super league clubs.

Some punishment.

Leeds were fined 200K for watching a game through a hedge.

the PL are going to hit these khunts hard

Perez saying they've been working on it for 3 years, that it's a binding agreement, that one of the English clubs was never very keen and that infected the others, who are perhaps afraid because they did not understand anything of what was happening.

I think we've established at this point that Perez says an awful lot of things.

The idea that the three teams owned by massive American sports businesses did not understand what was happening in an attempt to remake football along an American sports model is pretty funny.

’Dipper fans have already forgiven FSG. No surprise there.‘

well quite. There was some performative outrage, as there was for the furlough scandal, the attempt to copyright the word ‘Liverpool’, kicking the poors out of their houses to make room for a few more rows of seats for some Norwegians.

Then back to normal. 

I must admit I found myself much less arsed about the city match last night for the first 20. Then Philth reminded me what football is all about.

It’s perfectly possible to have a binding contract that gives the parties ample right to withdraw in various circumstances.

Aleksander Ceferin said that Boris Johnson told him directly he'd impose crippling luxury taxes on all 6 clubs and refuse to issue residence permits for foreign players. 

I can't believe I love Brexit now. 

Fair, but still, any team getting there on past success is nonsense.

 

It also completely passed me by that a European milk cup is starting next season. Winner of league cup goes into it.

Just more money for UEFA and a load more games.

Notwellers that is true, but surely we've all known he is a clown for over a decade which makes it so odd these people would put faith in a project which had him as the president.