The key to being a successful woman in today’s business environment?

You need to be a seven out of ten on the attractiveness scale.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/michelle-miller-im-a-7-out-of-10-qn2wg5svks7

ugh

"You need to be a seven out of ten on the attractiveness scale."

 

TRUE FAX

 

or bollocks made up by jerno to get a reaction and some hits on her article by outraged 6 out of 10s

 

 

Dux, to be fair, you like your women so mature that you'd have to dig some of them up to have a go.

 

Not that that would deter an assiduously deviant mallard such as yourself, I'm sure.

ok that strikes me as a bit ridiculous

she is definitely more attractive than average and average is not very attractive

it's a human scale not a supermodels scale

I think some women are uncomfortable around beautiful women because it makes them feel abd about themselves

it's not necessarily chippiness so much as almost unconscious bias

She's just above average (if average is a 5).  Not a classic beauty or even strikingly exotic.  Just "pretty".  Which gets you a 6.5.  Sorry, but them's the rules.

Exactly - it's all subjective, innit?  Personally I wouldn't bother sleeping with someone I didn't enjoy talking to. I'm just not wired that way.  Not many anonymous notches on my bedpost, I'm afraid.

Not really, Anna.  I'm just being honest.  And as we've said, it's entirely subjective.  Plus I don't really go for blondes.  With one or two exceptions.

I've long held the view that you'll rarely find an unpleasant looking chap/lady in the front office teams of professional services (banking/law/accountancy etc etc).  tax and pensions obviously are a rule unto themselves

 

(obviously as people get older and let themselves go, things can change a bit, but by then they're established)

 

 

Then we're working on different bases here, Clergs.  I would describe "average" as - say - Steph McGovern.  Not flawless, not without imperfections, but not unattractive either.  Certainly not a hideous chundermunter.

Personally I wouldn't bother sleeping with someone I didn't enjoy talking to. I'm just not wired that way.  Not many anonymous notches on my bedpost, I'm afraid.

Same, actually.

Although in one memorable case I discovered I enjoyed talking to the person after we had already slept together.

See I woudl have a beer with Clergs or Anna and chat. No spaffing - unless they asked nicely. 

Yes to the beer. No thank you to the spaffing.

A 38 inch waist may be fat, depending on proportionality to rest of the man.  If I had one, I'd be fat (I don't - I'm 33", but then I'm 6'1" and 12.5 stones).  If I was 6'4 and heavily muscled (which, alas, I am not), a 34" waist would be malnourished.

16/18 is, with respect, pretty chunky.  My girlfriend is a size 6.  So maybe my opinion differs as a result of that, but seriously I don’t think I’ve ever dated anyone over a size 14 at the very outside.

That, again, depends, Teclis.  Size 16 on a 5'10" woman is not necessarily chunky.  Size 6 is the preserve of smack addicts, final stage alchoholics and supermodels.

There you go, Tecco.  In proportion.

 

Clergs, possibly, but that depends on body type and weird things like hip and bust measurements.  But would you describe Venus Williams as fat for example?  Amazonian, yes, but not fat.

I seriously doubt venus williams is even close to an 18

but even if she were, her body is an elite athlete body

a woman of 5 ten would need a lot of body fat to wear that size

You see?  So just as small framed women may be size 6 and not anorexic, larger framed women may easily be size 16 and not be fat.  So a 6' woman who was size 6 wold be worryingly thin.  The same woman who was a size 16 would be curvy, but not fat.

I'm average height (possibly slightly taller) and with a BMI of 19 I would be a size 6, whereas with a BMI of 25 I would be a size 12.

I know because I've been both.

Nah size 16 is just fatass territory.  Not terminally so, easy to shift a bit of that blub but it’s right on that line where people stop being curvy or voluptuous and move into Dawn French territory. 

Not for me Clive!

I would say it is highly unlikely to be that clothes size and not clinically overweight

You might also be a hottie (going back to o the main topic) but the average person also has a grey and depressing face

You should hear what she has to say about you, Judy.  I was shocked - she kisses her mother with that mouth?!!

 

Can't say I've noticed that most people's faces are grey and depressing.  Then again, I've not really taken time to observe.  You could be right, but I doubt it.  Otherwise the human race would be extinct by now.

The key to being a successful woman in today’s business environment?

Stop wibbling about being a "succesful woman" and just start thinking about being a "succesful person"

This is a good article, it's quite realistic about the way things work without being overly resentful.

I do think the attractiveness thing holds fairly true for men too though. Men often age into being ugly fookers, but guys who look like the back end of a bus are rarely getting the plum front office type roles.

Silicon Valley is maybe a bit different because they're so desperate for the skills that basically anyone that has them can get in.