TBF

No it isn’t

chzthxbai

It really is laz it's an unsustainable outrage

I admire your persistence but respectfully disagree.

Because you are old and dictatorial, goose

If people don't bother it has to go

And not a second too soon

Laz, how much of the Beeb's offerings do you even watch?

I think the Beeb is massively bloated and not fit for purpose. It's trying to be all things to all people and it is massively arrogant in assuming it is The Voice of the People.

By old I mean over 34

It wastes buttloads of cash because it's basically unaccountable for value for money

How very dare you!

I am getting old though. 

I think your problem with it is the same as your problem with all the mainstream media - ie they invite opinion from experts, but none of those experts is you. If you can’t be Kuenssberg, nobody should be allowed to be.

I sympathise but I think our job is just to suck it uo

most telly I watch is from the bbc - happy to pay for no adverts, which I detest. 

“it’s unaccountable for value to money”

Good lord have you started subscribing to free market ideology? You have gone fully Breitbart m88. There is no world in which the BBC should be held to account for “value for money”. Value for money isn’t a factor.

I am not saying the bbc shouldn't exist

but where the fook do you get off telling me I should have to pay for it?

I mean eventually the problem will solve itself because once the only people watching are the people with the free licences well

cackle

You should have to pay for it because it’s a public service, just like you pay for the NHS and to subsidise the trains, even if you never use them.

To quite Esther Rantzen: that’s life.

You start cutting everything back to the lowest common denominator demanded by the democracy of consumer spending, you end up with the kind of debased and atomised non-society that the Breitbart/Order Order freaks want. 

Thankfulky though, the BBC is a political third rail. For all their sabre-rattling, the Tories know they can’t touch it. 

the bbc is the lowest common denominator

it is guff (and sometimes dangerous, misleading guff)

the idea of a "trusted media outlet" is facile and for children of the 50s and 60s

we know that doesn't fly any more and we should stop kidding outselves

you do if you want to watch Walter Presents, baz

who tf came up with Walter Presents it's such a strange concept (although am happy to go with it)

I love the BBC but even I don't watch much of it these days.  The Television License is quite clearly unsustainable for much longer

I think the BBC/ITV proposed subscription only British version of Netflix is where drama and entertainment will end up.

There will ultimately a much pared down public service free to air offering to cover the gap in commercial services, (possibly paid for by advertising but with a strict remit - stricter than C4s subsided by taxes if necessary) maybe two tv channels, local radio and Radios 3 and 4

the BBC tells the truth

the BBC is infinitely sustainable because the middle 60% of the electorate don’t give a fook about a hundred quid a year and harming the BBC is and always will be a political third rail

well obviously you cannot access everything as easily online

the BBC lies its ASS off, laz, it has been a player in some of the biggest scandal's in the union's history

The licence fee system should probably be replaced by a sliding scale whereby Scottish tax lawyers pay the most and earnest climate protesters pay the least

ps did you see the Empress of Extinction Rebellion is an anti-Semite?

milkshake ducked

a perfectly normal human being11 Oct 19 10:26

the BBC tells the truth

What is truth?

Also, they don't all the time. They have a kids documentary series which claims that there are over 100 different genders, for example.

there are an infinite number of genders m88, gender is a construct

If I make up a new gender now, it’s a gender.

hahaha FUXAKE

I don't know who the Empress of Extinction Rebellion is.

I used to think that it would be hard for children to meaningfully rebel these days (unless they became an extremely devout religious nut) but this gender thing is manna for them

empress is not actually her title

dr gail somethign

“What is truth?” is a great question, but merits a thread of its own - I have to register for my new MA course so I will have to defer that discussion til later.

heh