Not really Lib Dem territory cockpit. I was sad to see the Monster Raving Lonny Party being over shadowed. Dark days for the party. Time for a new strategy.
Lol it’s actually quite sweet that so many within Labour think that with a hardcore lefty leader (who at the same time embraces metro woke values) they would be back at the races.
It is fascinating how Victorian politics is repeating itself - queen and country flag waving Toryism succeeds in winning working class votes led by a greasy pole climbing egoist Johnson is just the new Disraeli- the opposition need a new Gladstone
Oracle Richard Tice effectively won Hartlepool for the tozzas in 2019. I think it was the best brexit party showing anywhere. It’s not a surprise the tozzas won, more the margin.
i feel bombarded by tice, which is pretty repellent
so overall that makes it sound like a massive non-story. in fact, a brexit p/tozza p combo vs now the tozzas seem to have had their position eroded based on projections?
Do you think Blair would do better now laz. I voted for Blair in 97 ultimately disappointed by him, but i think times have changed. He has more gravitas than starmer but political currents have changed since 97.
It’s not really a north south thing, Blair’s government was very good for northern cities, its metro forgotten part urban/town thing. The affluent countryside which i am from generally was always Tory.
Not sure thatcher casts that shadow anymore 3dux. She’s been gone for over thirty years politically. The shadow of thatcher has been eclipsed by the north London metro elite not being them and looking down on them.
I actually like gravy on chips with a pie, but find it disgusting with fish and chips. Gravy in fish & chips seems a very a northern, well not from the part of the West Country i am from. Maybe a poor reflection on me.
as dux says its something you could imagine Mandy saying.
Is there a difference also in the understanding on the term 'fish cake' also? Local chippies would sell fish cakes as a breaded fish sort of combo. In the North when I ordered it was always literally a cake of fish.
16 years Year of the Pig is a long time. I accept your point but I was more looking at the last few recent elections. I doubt the Lib Dems spent any money on this election especially given it voted nearly 70 percent leave.
Crawley I am from Somerset and we didn't have gravvy with fish and chips. Well not in my day. Devon is f**king weird anyway but not as weird as the Cornish :-)
I FIND IT ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING THAT THE SCUM LIBTARDS WHO BELIEVE IN WOKE NONSENSE AND HATE THIS GREAT NATION THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CRITCISE THE POLITICAL BELIEFS OF OTHER PEOPLE!!
DON’T THEY KNOW THAT PEOPLE’S POLITICAL BELIEFS SHOULD BE PROTECTED FROM CRITICISM?!?
Jesus with supporters like that labour is truly down the shitter for a generation. Utter stupidity from someone with a Desmond in critical theory from goldsmiths. These people are the scum.
Of course, the Tories never mock poor people, who could possibly imagine the Eton clique/Bullingdon club that so dominate the Tory party doing such a thing?
I grew up near Hartlepool. If there's something that a lot of North-Easterners have in common it's that they are stubborn and won't admit they're wrong. The Blue Wall vote might be a bit more "sticky" than some might imagine.
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Vote labour!!!
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The infighting on the guardian comments has already started
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Gonna be fun to watch as the left starts slagging off the voters!
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Tend to agree. But not the nouveau socialists like Russell moyle
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Fair point. Sadly Labour is dominated by the metro mob.
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My my they never learn.
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What a disgusting comment. How wonderful that all the votes count equally
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Also worth noting LibDems in 5th, losing their deposit
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Not really Lib Dem territory cockpit. I was sad to see the Monster Raving Lonny Party being over shadowed. Dark days for the party. Time for a new strategy.
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Lol it’s actually quite sweet that so many within Labour think that with a hardcore lefty leader (who at the same time embraces metro woke values) they would be back at the races.
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Sorry, meant 7th for the LibDems
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Nice to see the Loony candidate applauding everyone
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Loony candidates always had class. Agree wilf 2019 went so well with Corbyn.
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It is fascinating how Victorian politics is repeating itself - queen and country flag waving Toryism succeeds in winning working class votes led by a greasy pole climbing egoist Johnson is just the new Disraeli- the opposition need a new Gladstone
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They've learned nothing. Still calling them thick racists.
WhY WoN'T tHeY Do WHaT i wANt?
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THERE’S NOTHING THICK ABOUT VOTING FOR BREXIT AND BEING PLEASED AS PUNCH AT THE AMAZING DEAL AND THE SUNLIT UPLANDS!!
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the main oddity of this is that hartlepool didn’t go tozza in the 2019 election
when the red wall came down, based on the reasons for it and hartlepool’s demographic, i would have thought it would have been blue two years ago
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Johnson likes to think himself a Churchill but he is more a Disraeli. Article in economist on that 27th march 2021.
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It's because the Brexit Party split the vote in '19. Combined, the Tories and Tice achieved 25,000 to Labour's 15,000.
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Turnout looks absolutely tiny this time, no?
There's an independent who got 2000+ votes, wonder what his/her beef is.
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Oracle Richard Tice effectively won Hartlepool for the tozzas in 2019. I think it was the best brexit party showing anywhere. It’s not a surprise the tozzas won, more the margin.
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We've already had the new Gladstone, his name is A C L Blair.
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heh
that’s some rapid fire responses from roffers!
i feel bombarded by tice, which is pretty repellent
so overall that makes it sound like a massive non-story. in fact, a brexit p/tozza p combo vs now the tozzas seem to have had their position eroded based on projections?
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Do you think Blair would do better now laz. I voted for Blair in 97 ultimately disappointed by him, but i think times have changed. He has more gravitas than starmer but political currents have changed since 97.
It’s not really a north south thing, Blair’s government was very good for northern cities, its metro forgotten part urban/town thing. The affluent countryside which i am from generally was always Tory.
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rex, I've a mate from Hartlepool. Mandelson was a popular MP there. He actually did a lot for Hartlepool, lots of regeneration etc.
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Not unusual for an incumbent government, but yes, they've reason to be slightly disappointed.
That said, plenty of older working-class Brexit voters still won't ever vote for the party of Thatcher.
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Rex i can remember Mandelson walking into a local chip pie and seeing the mushy peas asking for guacamole.
grandson of Herbert Morrison. Labour have always had a mix of working class and posh intellectuals. Although not sure Mandy was that intellectual.
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Not sure thatcher casts that shadow anymore 3dux. She’s been gone for over thirty years politically. The shadow of thatcher has been eclipsed by the north London metro elite not being them and looking down on them.
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’Rex i can remember Mandelson walking into a local chip pie and seeing the mushy peas asking for guacamole.‘
that didn’t actually happen though
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Although apparently that was an urban myth
https://harrismp.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/guacamole-gate-mandelson-cleared/
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Maybe for youngsters, but the chippiness of the older voter fades slowly.
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Yes just post jy. I only found that out via the beauty of google just now.
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The guacamole thing was hilarious. Of course it wasn't true. The point is, it had the ring of truth. And that was far more damaging.
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labour should bring back Blair! he's not that old
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File under ‘David Mellor in Chelsea away kit getting his toe sucked’
nor actually true but felt true
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I actually like gravy on chips with a pie, but find it disgusting with fish and chips. Gravy in fish & chips seems a very a northern, well not from the part of the West Country i am from. Maybe a poor reflection on me.
as dux says its something you could imagine Mandy saying.
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Mandy on radio 4 now
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gravy on chips is rank - as is curry sauce - and, as seen in northern curry houses, curry with chips instead of rice or chapati. heathens.
do northern chippys still use beef dripping rather than vegetable oil?
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Er no, you are objectively wrong about curry sauce on chips
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Scotland- chocolate?
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In 2005 the LDs came 2nd with 30%. Their decline has been spectacular.
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Is there a difference also in the understanding on the term 'fish cake' also? Local chippies would sell fish cakes as a breaded fish sort of combo. In the North when I ordered it was always literally a cake of fish.
I dont get curry sauce on chips.
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16 years Year of the Pig is a long time. I accept your point but I was more looking at the last few recent elections. I doubt the Lib Dems spent any money on this election especially given it voted nearly 70 percent leave.
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Rex - south west here and it’s vinegar AND curry sauce
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Crawley I am from Somerset and we didn't have gravvy with fish and chips. Well not in my day. Devon is f**king weird anyway but not as weird as the Cornish :-)
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crowley. what part of south west are you from?
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@stuartandersonn sounds like a nice human being
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I’ve been to Hartlepool, he’s not wrong
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I FIND IT ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING THAT THE SCUM LIBTARDS WHO BELIEVE IN WOKE NONSENSE AND HATE THIS GREAT NATION THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CRITCISE THE POLITICAL BELIEFS OF OTHER PEOPLE!!
DON’T THEY KNOW THAT PEOPLE’S POLITICAL BELIEFS SHOULD BE PROTECTED FROM CRITICISM?!?
WHERE’S MY SAFE SPACE!!!
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Dude, he's not "criticising political beliefs", he's mocking poor people.
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Jesus with supporters like that labour is truly down the shitter for a generation. Utter stupidity from someone with a Desmond in critical theory from goldsmiths. These people are the scum.
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Of course, the Tories never mock poor people, who could possibly imagine the Eton clique/Bullingdon club that so dominate the Tory party doing such a thing?
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Yes Guy but you expect nothing less from them. Anyone tweeting in the manner above has no business being associated with the labour party
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Was Tecco the manager for the LibDem campaign?
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Billy Connolly once summed it up, along the lines of “I get on fine with the working class and the upper class - it’s those khunts in the middle.”
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And what Rex said @ 13.59
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https://mobile.twitter.com/gavinbarwell/status/1390555618717704194
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No, he was just boffing Layla Moran.
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"'Progressives' absolutely despise the working classes g'wan. Certainly since July 2016. It's all over."
They absolutely do
the left now basically does not see class as significant - everything is identity politics
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I thought she was only into pans?
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Heh @ Blue Iguana
tbf they could stand to smarten themselves up a bit, they have M&S up north I hear
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And ex-SBS, Ferrari-driving fantasists who invent cheese, apparently.
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Tbf the Lib Dems are also terrible, with the vote winning strategy of instructing people not to vote for them
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Do you think Tecco is under the covers?
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Only 18 months ago
time really does fly
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People who go back and dig up random threads are so strange
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I’d say that too if I were caught prematurely gloating
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I grew up near Hartlepool. If there's something that a lot of North-Easterners have in common it's that they are stubborn and won't admit they're wrong. The Blue Wall vote might be a bit more "sticky" than some might imagine.
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