Greta Thunberg
Rufus Youngblood 14 Aug 19 00:09
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Wouldn't she be a sanctimonious, humourless pain in the arse to have as a daughter?

According to Wikipedia:

"To lower her family's carbon footprint, she insisted they become vegan and give up flying. She said she persuaded her parents to give up eating meat by making them feel guilty. "I kept telling them that they were stealing our future." Her mother also gave up her international career as an opera singer."

Her poor parents.

Her parents are the reason why she’s like this. Talk about needing to grow a pair 

Greta Thunberg has Aspergers syndrome.

For anyone who has ever had any interaction with a person suffering Aspergers her behavior and world view is entirely understandable.

People with Aspergers don't see the world the way everyone else does... in her case it allows her to put aside all the emotional, social, economic, personal comfort and other factors, which everyone else uses to justify our continued social and economic models,  to see with perfect clarity the current ongoing environmental crisis.

Anybody who doubts the earth is in environmental crisis is an idiot,  the current rates of deforestation and extinction are phenomenal and every year we use far more of the earth's resources than are sustainable.  In less than 30 years we have lost over 50% of the biomass of all forest creatures globally. In geological time scales that is an almost unprecedented loss and certainly not something that has been seen since the extinction of the dinosaurs. We are already in the 6th mass extinction on the earth otherwise already known in science as the Holocene Extinction. Extinction rates are currently 1000 times greater than normal background extinction rates.. and that is before be start to really feel the effects of climate change.

This clarity allows Great to speak what is really going on without concerns for all the other factors which the rest of us allow to cloud the issues.

The thing that really irritates you all about Greta is that she is right and you all don't like being reminded that your average everyday existence is quite literally leading to global catastrophe.

Around the world there are multiple cities facing day zero on water.. when the glaciers disappear from Nepal and India you can add a billion more people to that.. sea level rises will displace at least another billion.

You think there is an immigration crisis now.. give it another 30 years.

 

 

Agree with Scylla. 

One would also imagine that said parents are probably fairly proud of their daughter given what she’s managed to achieve. Or maybe they’d rather she was sat about taking fish lipped selfies and teaming up with mates for the latest Fortnite comp. FFS.

In The Future of Life (2002), Edward Osborne Wilson of Harvard calculated that, if the current rate of human disruption of the biosphere continues, one-half of Earth's higher lifeforms will be extinct by 2100.

 

 

 

 

Eh? In don’t think anyone disagrees with climate change or being sensitive to a child’s disability, the thing that is OTT is she made her parents become vegan and made her mum give up work. 

Shes like a little green Rasputin

Tbf I've got more respect for her than I do for these luvvies piling in to God-knows-where in their private jets to lecture us about climate change.

If you’ve ever been on a plane or used a plastic cup you’re a raging hypocrite that can be ignored. 

If you’ve tried to be strict with your beliefs by not flying or eating meat, you’re a sanctimonious tede that can be ignored. 

Well hotnow if you genuinely hold those beliefs as Greta clearly does.. then being a force for change is essential.

If she can't make changes in how her own family lives then how on earth would she be expected to inspire change around the world?

And if people won't make the change because of the logic of her arguments then clearly she is prepared to do whatever it takes to make that change happen.

And this is the exact kind of change that is necessary even the IPCCC recently released a report making strong recommendations about cutting down on eating meat the only reason they didn't recommend total veganism is because they know the reaction and backlash that will create.

 

 

A raging, highly carnivorous, business class flying, hypocrite.

So what kind of "necessary change" will you be making in your own life then?

How does Greta travel to all these summits she keeps being paraded around?

I would not allow my 15 year old to dictate my diet or career but I guess she's as lucrative in her own way as those annoying kids being pimped on YouTube to open mounds of plastic tat. 

i like her but predominantly cos she pisses all the ppl who it is good to piss off

She's 16. I think the point is that she's undergoing a degree of hardship to get there by sailing boat. I have nothing against her tbf. I just get enraged by people like Emma Thomson who don't give two ****s about the environment, they just like showboating.

So what "necessary change" will you be making in your own life then?

 

I am actually currently planning on building a totally off grid house to live in... you?

Emma Thompson *is* a dick tbf 

shes almost as bad as bono 

Scylla - at least you fess up to not living it. And building a house is basically a dream for most people and will never be a possibility. Put it in the 'nice in theory' box. 

What will be the carbon footprint of transporting all the materials for your off grid house to the middle of nowhere to construct it?

This stupid girl should just ‘attend’ these idiotic conferences remotely via www.

But no, she has to draw as much attention to herself as possible by going by boat, thereby guaranteeing that 100x the number of media will attend the conferences than if she stayed in her eco-hut in Norway.

And you can bet that these media folks will all be travelling by air, and staying in air conditioned luxury hotels.

Greta is part of the problem, not the solution.

She has no experience of having to work to pay for her home, transport, meals, etc and she might never have to be in that position either. Yet she’s empowered by her parents, media and politicians to wag her finger at everyone with the ridiculous untruth that people are “stealing her future”. Nobody is stealing from her. They’re just making a living, including the people cutting down forests. Of course there are things that can be done to mitigate climate change but her behaviour is just selfish tantrum throwing on a larger scale than typical. Ditto the upper middle class “activists” who appear from time to time on the television. Most of this stuff is just a convenient way for the middle classes to demonstrate how much better than everyone else they think they are 

The poor, Owen Jones lookalike is a puppet.

No doubt she will have shit loads of money and a Nobel prize before age 20, but will probably die young, miserable, by own hand. 

She also comes from a country whose citizens are, simply by virtue of being born there, in the global top 1% because of hydrocarbons.

Pull the ladder up luv, don't want the developing world catching up, do we.

The simple point is the world can't consume at the same rate and in the same manner and survive as it is.

Given that the global economy success is judged on consumption .... that's a problem.

Buying a bamboo toothbrush that's been transported 12000km... isn't going to resolve that. Reusing your coffee mug isn't going to resolve the issue.

There needs to be a global change and shooting the messenger isn't going to stop that.

People are much happier being told a little change will make enough of a difference... it isn't true, and it isn't Greta saying it, it's her reciting a report that the top scientists are saying. 

Disliking her, saying she is odd or misguided or entitled or spoilt or anything.... won't change the message that she recites.

So what about addressing the IPCC report findings then rather than ignoring them and concentrating on the 16 year old girl having to state them to get adults to listen?

She doesn’t have to state them to get adults to listen. Climate change is all over the news and has been for decades. Unfortunately or not, the ways to limit the impact of it are going to come in bits and pieces, mainly through private businesses offering products that sell. Teenagers calling for a massive overhaul of everything (except their inheritances of course) is a waste of oxygen

What will be the carbon footprint of transporting all the materials for your off grid house to the middle of nowhere to construct it?

Most of the materials will be sourced locally... it isn't quite as in the middle of nowhere as you might think.

The long term plan is for it to be carbon neutral and I have to pay an enormous environmental offset tax, into a government fund for protection of the environment, in order to get permission to build it.

 

 

she is a creepy Maoesque singleminded obsessive with no sense of real life (yes because she has aspergers and ocd no doubt but those aren;t actually good qualities in a leader are they)

 

she has no particular helpful suggestions, I mean sure "big changes" but which big changes?

 

it is possible to construct a case for being less reliant on finite resources controlled largely by bastards - why not go with that instead?

Clerghers, I still chuckle at your "Weird Wednesday Adams" epithet for her.

Actually she's Swedish not Norwegian but whatevs, same same

This thread is like an object lesson in why we’re fucked. Humans are simply too stupid and short termist to tackle these issues, we’ll just bury our heads in the sand and get really angry at anyone who openly admits there’s a problem. 

Pancakes - the thread is about whether it's reasonable or normal to have your diet dictated to by you by your teenage child. 

Nobody is denying climate change, keep your y-fronts on.

I reckon I'd be a bit on the old non-plussed side too if my name was Swedish for Great Funbags. What were her parents thinking? There oughta be a law against it.

Not really hotnow, it’s just the same character assassination and justifications for ignoring them that get aimed at every loud environmentalist. 

No one is denying climate change we all just get really outraged at anyone suggesting action to address it, and pretend that it’s because they went on a plane one time. 

Gary - working class people are funny aren't they! They aren't as educated as middle class people and tend to have slightly different priorities and political views! Gr8 pisstake btw.

What Scylla said. Everyone on this thread pointing at others or at Greta and using it as an excuse to not make any changes. Your kids will be asking you why you didn't. And they will rightfully blame you for sticking your head in the sand.  

I have given up my car btw. And I do not fly personally and for business travel take trains. We have solar panels. We have water saving showers. I recycle everything. I try to avoid plastic packaging. I try to buy sustainable products. I eat meat tho, but that has to do more with the fact that my partner is allergic to all fish/shellfish.

pancakes - what do you think should happen? specifically what

I don't think she will achieve anything except her own career

Pancakes yeah I get that - same accusation of rich people who advocate higher taxation "well why don't you give all your money away"

but then there are egregious examples of hypocrisy and I think they should be called out.

is Greta going to swap places with a Bangladeshi labourer who is hoping to have their village connected to the coal-fired grid soon?

woo - I don't imagine most people on this thread live drastically differently from that (note that it's much easier to travel everywhere by train when you live on the continent ofc)

HAVING kids is one of the worst things you can do for the environment btw but that aside nothing the wealthy west does will stop climate change

I mean, are we talking power curfews? annual personal emissions allowances? what?

On this rare occasion I agree with hotnow 

also little green Rasputin is lol 

 

'she is a creepy Maoesque singleminded obsessive with no sense of real life'

 

So Clergs hates her because she reminds Clergs of Clergs?

I note she's on the front cover of GQ now. 

Its tedious profile pimping now, can anyone remember what she actually *did* in the first place before she was a media darling?

I mean Malala was shot fgs 

scylla that doesn't even make sense

 

I am not maoesque, I am not singleminded about anything and my life is considerably more normal than yours (no offence what's so good about normal but you could stand to be a bit more tolerant of people with real world demands on them)

 

creepy you can have although I think that is rich from the woman who posted those dead baby pics

I'm not saying anyone needs to copy what I do. I am giving an example of making changes.

And I travelled by train in the UK too btw. It's quite good, but relatively expensive.

But you all go ahead make fun of Greta, or tell people that change that they are hypocrites. That'll help.

but those changes won't make any difference, woo

none

the world will continute turning (and getting more carbony until someone can come up with a practical solution - maybe a plague)

Greta started a campaign of students striking from school on Fridays to protest climate change outside public offices. 

And for what its worth Malala was actually campaigning for girls education long before she was shot.. it's why the Taliban boarded her school bus and targeted her for execution because she was fighting against their policy of preventing girls from being educated.

"But no, she has to draw as much attention to herself as possible by going by boat, thereby guaranteeing that 100x the number of media will attend the conferences than if she stayed in her eco-hut in Norway.

And you can bet that these media folks will all be travelling by air, and staying in air conditioned luxury hotels.

Greta is part of the problem, not the solution."

 

Of course she draws as much attention to herself as possible - she is trying to change the world.   She cant do that without attention.  What kind of campaigner doesn't draw attention to themselves?

I'm not sure that Greta is helping is the point tricky 

pancakes - what do you think should happen? specifically what

I don’t know really. I’m not excluding myself from my criticism, this is a problem that we as humans are not psychologically equipped to handle.

Actually addressing it would require the total abandonment of liberal capitalism and the transition to a fundamentally different structure of society.

We will never do that. The problems will just get worse and refugee crises will become refugee catastrophes, and liberal capitalism will end up crumbling out of strife. We are fucked. 

what is she trying to change?

also, ru fanbois all vegan if not why

tbh pancakes that is not true

populations grow and then die off

 

that will happen to us, the earth will readjust

 

it doesn't matter, have a wine

Yes I know Scylla. That's my point. Malala is a person of significance who at great personal cost fought for women and girls, and continues to do so. She is someone worth admiring. 

My son would walk out of school and call it a climate change protest if I let him 

They do make a difference. But not enough no. Which is why Greta is campaigning for everyone to change and I hope she does better than all the governments and scientists that have been reporting on this for years now as too many people are still doing nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if she 12 monkeys the shit out of this, she's the type

Actually addressing it would require the total abandonment of liberal capitalism and the transition to a fundamentally different structure of society.

We will never do that. The problems will just get worse and refugee crises will become refugee catastrophes, and liberal capitalism will end up crumbling out of strife. We are fucked. 

 

This. So much this.

And the fact that a 14 year old girl is spending her life trying to stop that happening is to be admired.

Whether or not I'm a raging hypocrite reflects not at all on Greta.

 

I don't think going vegan is healthy and I also do not think it is sustainable. There are avocado wars and coconut and other plantations planted where there used to be rainforest and a lot of these need a lot of sweet water. The lack of drinking water is a huge imminent crisis.

So for someone in my area, it's not sustainable to go completely vegan as local fruit and veg would not offer a full/healthy diet.

Anyhow, why are you interrogating me? It should be the other way around. Why are you not doing anything?

I am interrogating you because you are banging on about the amazing great-a when you can't be arsed to go the whole hog (you think Sweden has 365 days a year grapes dangling from the trees?).

I am definitely more environmentally low maintenance than you, although this isn't environmentally driven it's just the way my life works anyway in reflection of my preferences.

I don't give the tiniest fuck about the environment - as I mentioned before the human race will die back and the world will be fine (as long as we don't do the nuclear thing)

and you will say "oh God that is SO SELFISH" but the fact is you don't really either, no one does, because no one is willing to make meaningful sacrifices at all. "oh but sausages"

I'm not banging on about anything.

You do believe in climate change but don't do anything. Instead you point to me saying I'm not going the whole hog. You say you don't care but then why are you interrogating or attacking me? Just leave the thread and live out your life.

Oh, and if you do decide to stay: how many times have you flown this year? What makes you think you are environmentally lower maintenance than me (also: what does this mean? Is your carbon footprint smaller?)

tbh pancakes that is not true

populations grow and then die off

 

that will happen to us, the earth will readjust

Clergs  I understand your nihilistic approach to human life but struggle to understand why, given your world view, the continuing existence of life on earth in any form matters to you at all.   

Anyone without children is automatically more environmentally friendly, despite how many flights they take.

Guy - I like animals and plants and birds and fish

Feel it would be a bit uncool to blitz their nests on the way out

also what jc said

also, I don't fly that much (but living in Scotland I do need to sometimes if I am to participate equally in the world which frankly I feel entitled to do)

my house is small, my insulation good, I don't eat much and I eat mostly plant based foods

and finally also, I absolutely don't care but I think Greta Thunberg is a creepy little weirdo who speaks to the godlessness of our times and nothing more and you are kind of playing it like billy big balls because you recycle as though every bastard doesn't have to juggle the multicoloured buckets these days

I was tuglite about her, but seeing how many of the whey-faced tedes on here here she seems to annoy I now think she’s fvcking gr8

Whether or not I'm a raging hypocrite reflects not at all on Greta.

im afraid it does reflect badly on her when a rich 1st world, person who is willing to change does not in fact do so- it means her solutions won't work.

Guy - I like animals and plants and birds and fish

Whether you like them or not is irrelevant, you will not be here.  You must therefore give some positive independent value to their life.    I would have thought you would reject the idea that it is axiomatic that life is a good thing.

Anyone else secretly hoping she spends the entire voyage throwing up?

Also: how is she going to get back again??

So have we decided whether or not to turn Greta into Dolmathki and save the world a load of tedious lecturing from a career-destroying teenage vegan fruitloop, in a singularly delicious (literally if oprepared right). ironic twist?

It is religious nonsense which is the next episode in green leaning fvckwits attempt at anti-capitalism. Has very little to do with climate. Has virtually nothing to do with good quality science.

When in twenty years the latest doom and gloom nonsense once again fails to come to pass, we will look back at wonder what on earth motivated people to elevate a 15 y-o with mental issues to this cult status.

However, climate religion aside, it will be a good result if non-climate issues such as waste, toxins in food chain, habitat destruction for palm oil etc can be reduced materially.

What Scylla and all the normal empathetic people have said. Rufus I am surprised at your assessment, I thought you would have seen the sense in her messages and also the style of delivery but what do I know!?

She has captured the public’s attention on the highest and most critical issues of current times, and putting yourself in that position takes real guts and gumption, more than most will ever have. 

May Zues bless her always

Clergs bizarre rage at this thread is only an outlet for her self feelings 

Heh @ anybody having children being automatically less environmentally friendly.

Yes, human life impacts the environment. Why haven't you all killed yourselves, hmm? Fvcking hypocrites.

Politicians trying to green themselves by having photo ops with Greta whilst doing nothing substantial about the problem piss me off but she is doing a great job of focusing minds on the issue. Will she personally solve the problem? No. But that's not her point. It has been all too easy to kick the can down the road because it won't affect people who are already old and in power now. All she is doing is saying this is a massive issue for the next generation and people should be held to account now before it is too late. That doesn't mean we have to treat her every utterance like religious text.

What if the warming up of the planet is absolutely inevitable and making sure we become more eco-friendly can maybe slow down the process but nothing more. I saw an article on FB the other day about Bill Gates' mission to dim the sun. He wants to turn the heating down on the sun. lol

We're all getting het up about nothing. Trying to stop the natural process of evolution. Roll with it, enjoy the time you've got here, and try to be as little of a khunt as possible during that time. This girl is ridic. The people coming up in support of her are even more ridic. Grow up. Literally.

It's just a phase. Give it a couple of years and she'll be downing white lightening and getting fingered behind the metro station

It seems the same buch slagging her off are the same lot who slagged that Malala(sp?)girl  who got shot in Pakistan whilst highlighting issues regarding education for girls.

It seems odd to me to criticize and shoot the messenger.

We need to stop imagining we're going to prevent what's coming.

there are many adults and adult politicians who say all the things she says. so I find the media fixation odd

Hopefully she will soon discover boys and be distracted from her mission.  If she gets a good seeing to that might cheer her up at the same time.

V true plonymous She needs a bad boy who will lay her then take her to mac Donald's for  a Big Mac and fries 

heh@ my being enraged. I am revolted by a clammy limpet-faced womanchild (yes, she is 16: this is your development on veganism) but it doesn't really bother me if she wastes her life on this. It's like godbotherers but for leaves.

as for why don't I kill myself, well (a) it's not hypocritical if I am saying I don't care aboutthe environment and (b) this topic is quite well tramelled tbh

I'm not sure a 16-year-old can really be called a "womanchild" tbh. Isn't she just a child?

Nope.  Can reproduce = woman.  But under legal majority age, hence womanchild.

Yes, the image of Greta repeatedly  honking up her avocado toast and cauliflower soup all the way across the Atlantic will indeed keep me in a chipper frame of mind for the next few months.

I don’t follow this young lady’s exploits closely but my word, she annoys all the right people, doesn’t she.