Ginna Miller here we go again

Is to launch supreme court challenge to stop no deal Brexit. A couple of things, given the supreme court is in recess, is there enough time, and who funds this, is she absoloutely loaded?

She's funded by people donating to save the country. It's like taxes, but not spent on stupid stuff like Tory unicorn policy. 

Time is against us. But we managed to win the second world war with sheer grit and determination. We can defeat fascism again. We need to evoke the spirit of those brave souls to save our country from this scourge. 

Jellymonster - please stop using and weakening the term 'fascism' to describe things that are not facism. If enough people keep doing it real fascism will sweep in before many notice.

Do the threats to prorogue parliament to ensure a no deal Brexit against the wishes of both parliament and the people not sound very fascist to you then?

Odd.

I'm done with this.

You crack on, Jelly and Anna.

The right seem to be fine calling those on the left "commies" and "trots" but don't like it the other way around

I don't think the entire Brexit movement is fascist, but the most dangerous fascists don't look like fascists until they achieve power.   Some of the imagery and phrases used by Farage and others are classic proto-fascist 

Ginna Miller is a hero. Like a real life superhero. Only Ginna Miller can save us now!

 

Oh and the daily mail is a fascist paper ( admittedly perhaps a little less so after the change of editorship)- it is hard to conceive of a more fascist headline than accusing judges applying the law of being "enemies of the people".

He doesn't need to porogue parliament, nor does he need to put a no deal brexit to the house He can just run the clock down by doing absoloutley sod all, that is what he is going to do. He has to having spent £6BN on no deal prep

The point is he does not have a mandate for no deal Brexit but he is doing it anyway. Those are the actions of a would-be dictator.

TBF ebitda he can only do that (running down the clock etc to get a no deal) because of all the muppets in Parliament who now don't want a no deal voting through the legislation that enables him to do it.

In a world where parliament is sovereign, parliament triggered Art 50 and parliament rejected the "deal" three times by a massive margin - why is this annoying bint getting busy?
 

No deal is the default.  It's no one's fault that they couldn't agree a trash deal.

Let's set up a National Government of Surrender run by only women remainers.  That's the only way forward*

 

* according to the Greens.

It's the default that our democratic Parliament voted for.

Yet apparently that default is now a "fascism" that needs defeating.

Complete, steady and repeated weakening of the word.

Time is against us. But we managed to win the second world war with sheer grit and determination. We can defeat fascism again. We need to evoke the spirit of those brave souls to save our country from this scourge. 

 

Comedy GOLD!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA  

"The point is he does not have a mandate for no deal Brexit but he is doing it anyway. Those are the actions of a would-be dictator."

 

heh

proper loonytunes now. 

 

The house voted to trigger Art 50 and leave, and they stood on that manifesto. As unpalatable as hard brexit is, it is the agreed legal default position.

He does have the mandate, the MPs said they would uphold the vote, and that is what he is doing. Sounds like a mandate to me. I voted remain.

 

It is going to happen.

Quite a few bed- wetters on rof that probably still need their bum wiping for them

The majority of the country and the majority of parliament do not want a no deal brexit.  They consider, unlike the mad arseholes in charge that the form of brexit (and indeed whether the whole project continues to be a good idea) is more important than an arbitrary date.   To defy the wishes of the majority of parliament and the people to push through a no deal brexit to the extreme detriment of almost everyone but the extremely wealthy and disaster speculators (basically Boris's mates) would be an act of vandalism to the union, the economy and the constitution unprecedented in modern british history.   If you think the establishment will let that happen you have another thing coming.

I thought this board would have vaguely intelligent posters - but fuck me, there are some class A grade 1 idiots on here.

The country voted to leave.   No deal is the default.  This is democracy.

What the Remain side is doing is nearer to fascism - as they get more and more desperate to overturn the democratic result of the referendum.

Talk about "doublespeak" -  the gall of these people.  They take the moral highground whilst literally pissing on democracy because they can't accept they lost.   

It's quite tragic really. 

It's almost like an illness.

You're so sure of your position that you need to be posting on the same thread using (at least) two different sock puppets both supporting "each other's" point of view, eh hotnow/SirPittCrawley?

guy the majority of the country voted to leave........and i suspect would do so again

Parliament cannot decide on what it wants, there is no majority around anything, nor will there be, so he is delivering on the vote of the people, and the MPS, who voted to trigger Art 50. I thought he may have benn bluffing, but he isn't.

Parliament needs to learn that they need to do the bidding of the people - not what a few liberal elite parliamentarians want. 

The only reason there is no deal - is because the EU will not negotiate a deal that is acceptable to the UK parliament.

So, that's it.  

Do you honestly think that people only voted to leave if the EU would let us by giving us a nice deal.  The way they are acting is EXACTLY why the MAJORITY of those voting in the referendum (which is all that matters) voted to leave. 

You're so sure of your position that you need to be posting on the same thread using (at least) two different sock puppets both supporting "each other's" point of view, eh hotnow/SirPittCrawley?

 

Deranged.  As I said last week.  Any dissenting voice to the Remain God means you are not real.  I suppose I am a Russian Bot.  HAHAHAAA

Seriously, you need to seek some kind of therapy to get you through this. I feel for you.  It must be like grieving.  You're still in the denial phase.

You do not overturn democracy by having more democracy.   Remaining without a second referendum would be undemocratic - nobody is suggesting that.  We should only remain IF the people have changed their mind.

This would not even be an issue if a vaguely sensible brexit (contradiction in terms but let that pass) had been agreed with the EU and passed by parliament.   The fact is however that this wasn't possible, the only remaining option seems to be crashing out at enormous cost to the country and against all promises made by leavers before we left that beneficial deal would be achieved and against the wishes of a clear majority of parliament and the people, as every poll ever taken on the subject has shown.

 

In these circumstances it would be fundamentally undemocratic not to go back to the people.    Indeed it would be the greatest betrayal of democracy and the union ever perpetrated in the UK.

shut up Guy.

also HEH@ "Remaining without a second referendum would be undemocratic - nobody is suggesting that" HUGE LIE !MASSIVE LIE 

I think you'd be hard pressed to find more than 5% who voted to leave only if a great deal was achieved.  Most just want to leave - however that happens.  If a good deal was reached, great.  However, the EU have been intransigent (no surprise) so we leave without one.  Who cares.  

Let's get out of this deranged prison now. 

Do you honestly think that people only voted to leave if the EU would let us by giving us a nice deal.

Er yes, pretty much.  All the talk pre-ref was about a Norway-style arrangement or similar soft brexit options. 

The way they are acting is EXACTLY why the MAJORITY of those voting in the referendum (which is all that matters) voted to leave

A tiny majority, the scale of which would not have been accepted were the result the other way round, with voting being over 3 years ago.   It is not "all that matters" at all - the consequences of brexit matter more.   

Anyway, everyone knows all this and you are trolling. 

BC

 

Do you only see fascism as later-stage Nazism?

Farage is a fascist. The Brexit Party are heavily fascist, UKIP is entirely. 

The ERG are slightly to the left of Brexit Party and but you wouldn't fit a bus through the gap. 

I am not saying this ends like Germany in the 1940s, but if you don't see this as far right, alt right and fascists in charge, you're deluded. 

Do you only see fascism as later-stage Nazism?

Farage is a fascist. The Brexit Party are heavily fascist, UKIP is entirely. 

The ERG are slightly to the left of Brexit Party and but you wouldn't fit a bus through the gap. 

I am not saying this ends like Germany in the 1940s, but if you don't see this as far right, alt right and fascists in charge, you're deluded. 

HAHA - "Everyone I don't like is LITERALLY HITLER"

 

 

If the leave crew are so fcuking confident that the majority of people will still vote to leave wtf don't they shut up remainers (like me) by proving this, have a second referendum, same question and then just leave.

 

If the leave crew are so fcuking confident that the majority of people will still vote to leave wtf don't they shut up remainers (like me) by proving this, have a second referendum, same question and then just leave.

The old reverse psychology.  Why don't you just accept the result.  Because, er....  that was the result?

I literally said this is not like Hitler. You're literally a fucking waste of carbon.  

Because it would cost a fortune, delay things even more, create more uncertainty, create even more division and solve nothing because whatever the outcome nearly 50% of the country will feel cheated and tard on that it was unfair. 

hth

guy, it would be undemocratic not to honour the referendum, leave means leave. The government said they would uphold the vote as did the MPs. Now turning to the domesday scenario, yes there will be issues but they will be short term. The government having spent £6BN and counting will have mitigated against most scenarios. In less than five years things will mostly have returned to how it was before.

I just don't see how the government can resile from its position to leave on 31st. Its happening.

 In less than five years things will mostly have returned to how it was before.

How can it? 

Why don't you just accept the result

Because after three years of trying the only Brexit available would be a complete and utter disaster, as even most leavers admit, and against the wishes of most people in this country.   To not revisit a decision in these circumstances is close to the very definition of madness.  

People betting on Britain doing badly (boris mates); Trump, who wants the UK as a desperate controllable puppy dog; and Putin, who just wants to fuck the West up as much as possible will be winners.  Everyone else loses (even the brexit politicians who are too stupid to see that they will get no credit for delivering brexit when it leads to a clusterfuck)

 

I totally accept that the result was to leave, and the ref paper said nothing about leaving with or without a deal, so a no deal leave is actually more consistent with the actual question than all this deal stuff.

When such an obviously wrong and damaging decision is made there is no harm in trying to rectify the situation and just checking that the country does actually want to still jump off the cliff.

 

If leave win again I will be critical of the vote but will accept it as final on the basis that people have a better understanding know than when they voted before.

Deranged.  As I said last week.  Any dissenting voice to the Remain God means you are not real.  I suppose I am a Russian Bot.  HAHAHAAA

You literally got caught out in an embarrassing login fail just last week.

All EU countries want to trade with the UK, and ultimately they will continue  to do so. The uncerainty is killing the pound, growth is non-existent /falling, the housing market is fvcked, the high street/retail sector fcked, no one is spending, etc, etc.

Guy,and others can I ask if you think we are leaving on 31st , me definitley. 

I think you'd be hard pressed to find more than 5% who voted to leave only if a great deal was achieved.

Funny you should say that because 5% is all you need to reverse the wafer-thin "victory" for leave.

Because it would cost a fortune

More than the 6 BILLION POUNDS being spent on preparing for an eventuality which only a few weeks ago our glorious leader said had a one in a million chance of occurring?

Why is the cost of things suddenly an issue?

I think we should do a trial 2 weeks leave to see how it goes.

 

Ideally now, right in the middle of school holidays

 

Then another ref, obviously BJ will claim the restrictions on duty free that will be imposed are the fault of the EU overlooking completely that it was the uks decision to leave

Not sure the Supreme Court can overturn this statutory provision:

 

"The European Communities Act 1972 is repealed on exit day. "

shut up guy.

PS - it would be in addition to that anyhow. *joey face* 

 

"shut up guy"

I love this response, please tell me you think this is (a) annoying me or (b) helping you win an argument  or (c) making you look superior or me inferior.  Please tell me you do.  It would make my day.

can you please declare if we are out on 31st or not. I say yes

Hard to say, I am sure parliament could stop it if the anti no deal majority  acted in a co-ordinated way(and I suspect Boris wants them to) but they could easily cock things up.

The more vindictive side of me hopes Boris if forced to actually go through with no deal and let him sit in his own shit as the entire country turns against him.

What Guy said, also the reaction of the leave voters. Obviously somehow it will somehow be the EUs fault.

There is no mechanism to stop it , boris can and will plough On regardless 

Ebitda, do you honestly think Boris wants to plough on?  Are you really that naïve?

He has to plough on because of the promises he needed to make to become PM,  but he doesn't want to be blamed for the mess, he wants to blame somebody else for stopping him.

What Guy said. 

51.9% of me is hoping that we remain because that is obviously what is in the best interests of the country as a whole and in particular my loved ones. 

48.1% of me wants a spectacularly catastrophic crash out so that "the people" (apparently people with a brain don't count as people, only the drongos) learn the hard way that Brexit is a shit idea and the harder the Brexit the shittier it is. And BoJo the clown will go down in history as the worst PM we've ever had (which is some achievement after May) and the Tories and the FPTP system will be fucked into the middle of next century. 

Uncertainty isn't killing the pound nor investment, nor deflating the economy. 

 

The slow build realisation that a No Deal Brexit is about to happen is causing all those things. 

 

Ask the people if they want no deal (the thing that was expressly ruled out in official Vote Leave papers and was a "million to one shot" (in BoZo's words) only 2 weeks ago). 

 

No one was asked to vote on No Deal. That is not the will of the people. There was a leave deal that MPs rejected. So take the deal, or go back to the people. 

 

 

Similar Lady P, although I think I am now, in my heart of hearts, I am slowly starting to wish for no deal.  I am fed up of banging my head against a brick wall of morons.  Yes it will be a disaster but if it destroys Farage and the far right, the Tory Party and our crazy unfit for purpose electoral system and constitution in one fell swoop perhaps it will be worth it.   

it won't tho

it will empower him

the morons will turn to their oppressors

Morons turn to whomever makes the best promises. When they fail then they turn to the next shiny thing. 

if that were true, white supremacy wouldn't have been going strong in one form or another since the 1800s

Not quite sure why remainers would suddenly care about invoking the "will of the people" having slagged it off as a concept ad nauseam.

You keep telling us that Parliament is sovereign.

Parliament has passed an Act that provides that we exit on 31 Oct. Unless Parliament can find a way to undo that state of affairs, then it will happen and it will be lawful.

Would be amusingly ironic if things got so bad it let in Corbyn to institute full blooded socialism unfettered by the pro-capitalist rules of the EU

 

Yes ok, Goose, as I say, lets get on with it.   It will be a pure Brexit, led by Brexiteers, they will have what they want, their vision will be fulfilled, lets see where it gets them.

Parliament is sovereign except when the unelected prime minister tries to stop parliament from stopping him taking us out of the EU with no deal, right? And except after Brexit when Parliament will have no say in any of these fab new trade deals we will be making which will come with conditions attached, such as scrapping the digital tax or X number of visas for Indians. So much sovereignty. 

That phrase is used much, much more by Remainers. As far as I'm concerned, the people of the United KIngdom are "sovereign" and Parliament is a (fairly flawed but better-than-nothing )mechanism through which to implement that.

As far as I'm concerned, the people of the United KIngdom are "sovereign"

Great, so why are the Brexiters too afraid to ask the people whether they are OK with leaving the EU with no deal or not?

As far as I'm concerned, the people of the United KIngdom are "sovereign" and Parliament is a (fairly flawed but better-than-nothing )mechanism through which to implement that.

But the people are not allowed to change their mind according to you.  Any decision maker that cannot change their mind is a bad decision maker.

why are we pretending we live in a democracy when the house of lords is still a thing?

you so-called democrats are an embarrassment to yourselves

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN

and now the peers of the realm shall check it over

vive lady brasaleswoman!

wot clergs sed

lol at the mealy mouthed responses from the usual brexter suspect(s)

this legal case will likely come to nothing because parl has voted to leave on 31 oct and it is sovereign

the only way patriotic remainers can stop that is with legislation voted through by parl 

that’s how our shambles of a “democracy” works

and if they do manage to save the country on 31 oct by somehow legislating, how. i. will. laugh. at u brexter(s)

When Parliament voted to leave on 31 October with or without a deal they didn't know what they were voting for

well that is true, but then we kno mps are generally morons

There should be a second (fourth ?) vote  on the EU Withdrawal Act to see if they have changed their minds.

Meh, if this is what we need to do to destroy the political system, clear out all the rotten wood and rebuild it from the ground up then so be it.

You literally got caught out in an embarrassing login fail just last week.

 

No I didn't.  I only have one login.  You are utterly delusional.

 

 

If we can't have a peoples vote we should at least get an MPs vote to allow them rescind all the legislation they debated endlessly and then approved to ensure that we leave  the EU without a deal. 

And if they can;t get that vote right, we should make them have another go until they do. 

I think we should have a referendum every day, and the first to win 50 in a row shall definitely be acted upon, UNLESS leave win, then it would be a fascist act and must be overthrown by a National Government of Surrender.

Please Mr. Barnier, here is our arsehole, please fuck us in it.  

And all the Remainers cheer. 

Yes you did. Don't lie.

I have never lied at all.  Of course, if you could provide a single shred of evidence for your idiotic conspiracy claim, I'm happy to listen to it. 

 

The thread appears to have gone, but it was over 100 posts long.

You had a login fail at the beginning of the second page and either you posted as the OP on a thread started by hotnow or vice versa.

I said "hah, busted" and a few other people commented likewise.

The thread no longer comes up when I search for the word "busted" so god knows where it went.

I literally have no idea what you are talking about. 

It just sounds like the ramblings of a loon. 

We both know that you and hotnow are the same person and that's all there is to it.

You may think it, but I know for sure that it isn't the case.

 

You're not a real lawyer are you?  Would you go to trial on this evidence?

Your honour, I know the defendant is guilty because at some point in the past he was talking to someone who said that the crime happened at a time that the defendant was alive.  Aha!  Irrefutable proof of his guilt your honour.  He was alive at the time the crime was committed.  

Case dismissed, you're free to go so.  We deeply apologise for any inconvenience you may have suffered.

 

And that ^^ is what the ramblings of an actual loon look like. Thank you for the demonstration.

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When Parliament voted to leave on 31 October with or without a deal they didn't know what they were voting for

 

Parliament is allowed to change its mind whever it likes you hmong.

As are other people.

Just read this cos Brexit is dull but lol at the ultimate NPC never had an original thought in her life lady P claiming that I'm a sock puppet. 

SirPitt you may be a brexiter (I'm a remoaner) but I like you anyway!! 

Well, you are (because I and several others saw your login fail), but generally speaking there are at least 10 "characters" on here that I find almost completely indistinguishable from each other. You are (at least) one of them. (I would guess that the number of real people behind those usernames is more than one but less then ten.)

So lol @ "never had an original thought in her life". Nobody confuses me with other posters on here.

I dunno, Anna, Sergio, Kimmy, Ray Vaughan, Guy Crouchback, Queenie E, Jellymonster, HomeBrew Harry, to name a few, all seem like the same person to me. Completely indistinguishable. I think I will call you all Sergio from now on.

You don't actually get any of those people mixed up, Goose.

Holy shit lady p you've made me go all existential maybe I have a split personality or something. 

If I want to know your thoughts Ina topic Lady P I would simply throw a dart at a copy of the Guardian and read whatever cliched BS article it landed on. "10 reasons that toxic men caused Brexit" or whatever.

Dim dim, dim dim dim dim 

De dum

Dum dim dum dim.

Yeah you're so on the pulse about what I think that you don't even know what newspaper I read.