Feminazi - what does it mean?

Where does this come from? What does it mean? Is it meant to be a derogatory statement towards all feminists? Is it aimed at 'radical' feminist who 'persecute' men? When did being a feminist become dirty?

You are asking what nazi means?  they are the people your grandparents collaborated with whilst killing your neighbours and stealing their rembrants.

hth

In rely I will explain feminism to you. 

Badly. 

When I do and you freak out, I will call you a Feminazi. 

HTH

 

I'm asking what feminazi means. Other than that, great ... umm... joke? Not at all offensive for people with half their families murdered by Nazis.

I'm an old-fashioned Second Wave feminist. I don't understand this new lot with all their 'trans' stuff and lefty-liberal politics.

So basically nobody really knows what it means or why it's being used?

I think it means an extreme feminist who goes beyond the idea of equality. However the people who use it tend to be men (especially incel types) who can't bear a woman's POV.

“Involuntarily celibate”. Creepy whiny little men who hate women because none will sleep with them.

A feminazi is an annoying feminist, so covers pretty much all of them. Wants 50% quotas on all boards and panels for example 

thanks stickers

that sounds more like mummy's boys claiming world owes them a shag

DDK - humm...you really want to run that argument of "annoying feminist"?

"what is a second wave feminist?"

Think Germaine Greer, miniskirts and equal pay.

It’s just a way of insulting somebody because their view is so strongly influenced by feminist arguments that it defies fact or logical or moral reasoning.

I might call somebody who misapplies liberal reasoning something like a libtard, even though I am a liberal. It is like that. I am a feminist too.

Arguably one could say that feminazis are not feminists at all since their actions actually harm the feminist movement. But I don’t like saying that because they believe they are feminists and are influenced by feminist theory. They just have wrong conclusions. Similarly I have heard Muslims say that Islamic terrorists are not true Muslims because they are committing evil acts and the Quran says not to do that. But I think that is going too far. You need a way of referring to extremists in any category.

 

 

 

It's just something a chap instinctively  knows that women never can. Like the rules of the urinal.

Like the urinal rules you can try and explain it but if you do the real risk is that something about it drives them quite mad into a frothy-mouthed  delusional rage in which they lose all sense of decorum and chop your cock off.  

Why this happens is a mystery to science but wise heads do not explain it any further than this. 

Where does this come from?

The same people who invented the term "misandry".

What does it mean?

That they have a tiny penis and a huge inferiority complex.

Is it meant to be a derogatory statement towards all feminists?

Supposedly no, but in practice yes.

Is it aimed at 'radical' feminist who 'persecute' men?

Supposedly yes, but in practice no (see above).

When did being a feminist become dirty?

Feminism is designed to threaten and ultimately eradicate the inherent male privilege enjoyed by men since the year dot, so I guess feminism has always been dirty if you are the kind of person who feels threatened by that.

i say that as I have been at the receiving end of one (now) inconsequential woman who "hated men" (to quote her). 

I really don't think that hating men is a common enough phenomenon to really merit its own word, tbh. (Whereas hating women certainly is.)

Pretty ironic, since women have plenty of legitimate reasons to hate men, but we don't.

It's not hatred of men that is the issue, but the worrying swing to the other side that men should not just respect women as equals (quite rightly), but should somehow be ashamed to be masculine, as if we all have something to make up for. 

possibly, A and you are probably right. But given her conduct and spoken words, I could only conclude that way. 

I do also think that men who are perceived to "hate" women might also be out of proportion a bit. Hating and disagreeing are two different things. For example DDK's comment above.

That said, you are right that there probably are more women hating men than men hating women. The notion of equality (in real terms and on all matters) has rattled a fair few otherwise ordinary men too especially those from different times and societies. 

I have encountered misandry but, as Anna says, it's pretty rare and, because of my position of male privilege, I can just lol at it.

Threatened, dunno, more annoyed like. My boss is a she, a partner. She is not in her position by coincidence. I respect her. A Woman who is my colleague or even boss because of some feminazi quota I cannot accept. I don’t want to work with quota-bints 

anyone questioning the phrase misandry has clearly never met tuscan

 

 

Coffers, bear in mind that when we talk about misogyny, there is a broad spectrum. On the one end you might have men who really, genuinely hate women. Rapists, abusers, angry incels who walk into a sorority house and open fire on women they believe have rejected them, that sort of thing. Further along the spectrum you have men who are just openly sexist arseholes, who discriminate against women in the workplace, or expect their female partners to run around after them like a skivvy, or make "hilarious" sexist jokes and make everyone feel uncomfortable. And then at the milder end, you have the sort of unconscious misogyny which feeds into almost every aspect of life and which men don't even notice. It's a broader point that the entire world is designed for men, not for women. Crash test dummies are designed for the male body rather than the female body, which means women are less safe in cars than men. Female astronauts are pulled from space missions because there are no space suits in their size. Female police officers are in more danger than male police officers because stab vests are not made to fit people with breasts. Medical guidance for recognising the symptoms of and treating a heart Attack is based on research on men, not women, so the advice is actually inappropriate and irrelevant to female patients. Doctors frequently dismiss women's health issues, but take men seriously. It's depressing but unsurprising that viagra not only exists but can now be purchased very cheaply in Superdrug, whereas there are a whole variety of women's sexual health issues which are misunderstood and frequently undiagnosed or left untreated because nobody has bothered to do the research or figure out how to treat them. The male contraceptive pill was abandoned because in drug trials it was found that an unacceptable number of participants were experiencing side effects, when every single form of contraception that exists for women comes with unpleasant side effects which we are expected to just put up with. Women frequently report seeing their GP with unexplained pain or symptoms and not being taken seriously, only to finally be diagnosed with known conditions such as PCOS or endometriosis, three, five or ten years later. If you're a woman and you get married, you immediately discover that changing your name is a massive, tedious (and expensive) pain in the arse, but so is not changing your name.

I don't know any men at the murdery rapist end of the spectrum, and I don't know very many who are just bog-standard sexist arseholes, but the low level stuff (which can't usually be blamed on individual men, but rather the entire system) is exhausting and infuriating, and grinds us down on a daily basis.

 they give women but not men kevlar vests at paintball

 

so swings and roundabouts really

Awww poor women we are grinding them down. Indeed when men are among themselves they discuss tits, arses and how to stifle the success of their female colleagues 

If you're a woman and you get married, you immediately discover that changing your name is a massive, tedious (and expensive) pain in the arse, but so is not changing your name.

How is not changing your name a pain in the arse?

Every single form of contraception that exists for women comes with unpleasant side effects which we are expected to just put up with.

Condoms?

You are in the common or garden sexist arsehole category, FAOD, DD.

Bit harsh on run of the mill sexist arseholes, DD gives off strong vibes of being at the potential mass shooter end of the spectrum. 

How is not changing your name a pain in the arse?

It's a pain in the arse if people send you stuff in the post addressed to Mrs Husbandsname and you're not in so you have to go to the post office to pick it up and they won't fucking give it to you because you have no ID in that name because it's not your name. It's also a pain in the arse if you have children who have their father's name and you want to travel abroad with them without your husband.

Condoms?

This is the one form of contraception which is designed to be used by men rather than by women, and a lot of men refuse to use them because they say it makes sex less enjoyable.

My Mrs gets post in the name Lady Justice Wang.  doesnt bother her too much.*

*she has never been appointed to the CoA afaik

So do a lot of women.  Because they do make sex less enjoyable.  As I say, having the snip was the best decision I ever made on the sex front.

 

Barrier contraception (including femidoms) are the only form of contraception which stand a chance of preventing you contracting a raging dose of cock/vaj rot, however, so should perhaps not be so easily dismissed. 

Garden sexist arsehole - that’s a badge of honour it means I’m normal. Men who say they are feminists usually try and score brownie points from their female friends/surroundings

Though to be honest, it's not over-the-top feminist attitudes which annoy me.  It's all excessively politically correct nonsense which means you end up walking on eggshells and having to dance around words to avoid an offensive meaning and/or whose purpose is to suppress non-woke (horrible expression) speech and thought, rather than to prevent truly bigoted behaviour.

As I say, having the snip was the best decision I ever made on the sex front.

Will be encouraging Mr Penelope to do likewise once we've had children.

Barrier contraception (including femidoms) are the only form of contraception which stand a chance of preventing you contracting a raging dose of cock/vaj rot, however, so should perhaps not be so easily dismissed. 

Not so worried about cock/vaj rot in the context of a long term monogamous relationship, but our brief experimentation with condoms ended with a pregnancy scare. He was happy to use them when I no longer wanted to be dosed up on hormones, but in the end we decided they weren't reliable enough. 

DD, re your 16.30, it's more likely that said men are trying to knock the woman off.

OMG Mr Anna is a wonky spaffer!

 

should have done better DD

DD, re your 16.30, it's more likely that said men are trying to knock the woman off.

If that's your aim then you'll be far more successful if you just behave like a feminist than if you self-describe as one. Just FYI.

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If that's his aim you need to invest in rubber undersheets and a dutch cap

Not talking about you specifically, Anna.  Condoms are pretty reliable, but they have an unfortunate habit of splitting once in a while, which then results in the morning after pill (and all its horrible side-effects).  But other forms of barrier contraception (cap, sponge) require some forward planning as they are a bit of a passion-killer if - in the heat of things - you have to disappear to the bathrooms to shove something soaked in spermicides up your frou-frou.  

 

For those not engaged in the singles world (with concomitant clap concerns), the coil seems to be favourites.  Although (i) I've heard it is painful to fit and remove and (ii) I'd be worried about my other half picking up FM stereo during coitus.

This is the one form of contraception which is designed to be used by men rather than by women, and a lot of men refuse to use them because they say it makes sex less enjoyable.

They might but you're under no obligation to sleep with men who refuse. Also they're a minor inconvenience at best. If the men do refuse then they're selfish twats and it's on you if you go for the hormones.

That is not my aim, Anna, as well you know! 

 

How do you even start to act like a feminist, exactly?  Do you have to turn into a fawning little bitch of a yes-man?  Bit obvious, I would have thought. 

I've heard it is painful to fit and remove

It can be. I'd say it was mildly uncomfortable, but I've heard some horror stories from other people who haven't been so lucky. And for most women it makes periods longer and heavier (so also more expensive) and more painful (as your uterus is cramping around a piece of metal rather than just by itself).

How do you even start to act like a feminist, exactly?  Do you have to turn into a fawning little bitch of a yes-man?  Bit obvious, I would have thought. 

Definitely don't do that! It's quite easy really. Just don't be a sexist arsehole and you're grand.

this is a full on contraception thread!

For once rof has converted an ordinary to sex (of sorts)

That's what I've always understood to be the best way, Anna.  Not anything overt.  Just listen properly, think before you speak, treat other people as you would have them treat you, and don't be all boorish and talk over others or belittle them (or accuse them of being something-"ist" when you are losing a debate or in order to preclude debate).  Same principles apply on both sides.

Yep, Coffers.  What is your favourite method?  Is it the Brexit (pull out recklessly when you feel like it and hope for the best) or Socratic Method?

"Feminazi" is a stupid strawman term and likely to be used by thoughtless dimwits. I

Buuut, the general miasma of third/fourth wave feminism, inasmuch as it can be deemed coherent, has an adversarial quality that seems to say, you are either with us or against us: if you are with us you must believe in equality of outcome (equality of opportunity is no longer a valid objective).

If you are with us, you must recognise you can only do so by acknowledging your male privilege and being willing to relinquish it.

By definition, as a male you cannot be the judge of this yourself: the instersectional calculation and redress must be carried out by the opaque operations of the diversity industry. Good luck to any male who's trying to keep up with where the goalposts should be from one day to the next.

It ultimately represents the abnegation if the primacy of the individual, because membership of certain groups trumps it.

It is this authoritarian undercurrent that the term innacurately and hyperbolically tries to identify, I guess.

 

 

Anna - why do you think it is that “inherent male privilege enjoyed by men since the year dot,” is inherent? Was there some Garden of Eden pre year dot when everyone was cool? What happened at year dot?

There was some shyt with a snake and an apple DPW.  a priest would probs have more details.  or as I like to call them "stories"...

Er, well "year dot" is a figure of speech, but if you believe the story of Adam and Eve, labour pain is God's punishment to women for Eve tempting Adam to eat the forbidden apple. So the Garden of Eden is as good an analogy as any. If the story is true then yes, Eden might have been the last time women didn't have to put up with any sexist bullshit. If the story isn't true then there probably never has been a time. 😉

I think you’ll find that Adam had inherent male privilege pre Eve luring Adam into sin. I just wonder where and why it all started? If we can understand that then perhaps that would make feminism’s task easier?

Sounds suspiciously like an elaborate time wasting exercise designed to avoid actually doing anything about the problem, if you ask me. 😉

women got the extra rib tho which is always a win for me in bodeans clive

But Anna - if we understand the why then doing something about it will be that much easier? So suspicious.... indulge me. What’s your theory for the genesis of the oppression of burds?

I don't know, a lot depends on how you believe we came to exist! 

I've been called a feminazi on here for the outrageous claim that rape and sexual abuse is more common in the UK than people realise.  I didn't even confine this to women, but apparently the fact I have ovaries made it an extreme viewpoint.

What Anna said.  Plus Lillith got kicked out and labelled a consort of Satan because she claimed equality with Adam.

Lilith as understood by the ancients existed outside and before Judaism. She was a demonic figure responsible for infertility and infant mortality and was feared by people especially women. IIRC there is an example of this in the Sumerian story of Inanna and the Huluppu Tree where Inanna is afflicted by the presence of Lilith. The interpretation given above is a classic case of misreprenting historic context to suit contemporary ends. Lilith was no friend of women.

I'm perfectly aware she existed outside of Judiasm. We were talking about Judeo-Christian mythology, not the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The above is a classic case of someone trying to prove how clever they are, but taking the reference out of context of the actual discussion to make a non-point.  Excellent display of mansplaining though.

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 indulge me. What’s your theory for the genesis of the oppression of burds?

Indulge us DPW.  What's your theory for it?

Identity politix is crap.  

The man / woman version of it is harder to avoid.

I don’t have a theory Orwell! Occasionally it strikes me as odd that an understanding of why women are oppressed everywhere doesn’t seem to be seen as an important part of working out a solution. 

Never heard of Lillith - a quick google tells me that she was Adam’s first wife and refused to lie underneath him for copulation. Some juicy Victorian porn representations of her naked but for a writhing serpent, a bit like that poster I used to have on my wall as a boy of Natasha Kinski naked except for a python. 

Occasionally it strikes me as odd that an understanding of why women are oppressed everywhere doesn’t seem to be seen as an important part of working out a solution. 

I'm sure some feminazi academics have given it some thought. How much feminist theory have you read? 

My phd thesis was largely an analysis of the works of Dworkin and Paglia. Paglia is probably not on your Christmas card list and I don’t recall Dworkin offering an explanation. What have you got for me?

The "how" women are oppressed - from period huts in Asia to the way relatively recently women were expected to leave professional work in western countries and not come back if they got married/had a baby - tells you the "why". 

I cant tell you *why* so many men seem to find women's biology scary and threatening, and I don't really care enough about their feelings to understand.  but it's right there in the old how can you trust something that bleeds for four days and doesn't die line of jokes. 

My phd thesis was largely an analysis of the works of Dworkin and Paglia. Paglia is probably not on your Christmas card list and I don’t recall Dworkin offering an explanation. What have you got for me?

Oh wait, so you're being deliberately obtuse and don't actually give a shit about how we address inequality in 2019?

Good to know. 

eh? 

the stuff about my phd was a joke but I have read some of their oeuvre. I’m not being deliberately obtuse and I do care about how we address the disadvantages that women suffer. So perhaps Linda if school addressed why boys find women’s biology scary and threatening that might have a deep impact in the longer term on women’s disadvantage?

Look, DPW, you seemed to be oh so innocently suggesting that if we want to actually address the problem of inequality then maybe some boffins should do some research into why it exists in the first place. Since you apparently didn't need it pointing out to you that a lot of research has in fact already been done, how do you explain the fact that the problem still exists? It would seem that more academic research isn't in fact the answer. (So surprising.)

So long as 75% of women continue to be attracted to aggressive ,dominant Alpha males, this 'problem' will persist 

Part of our 100,000 year animal inheritance

No use the 25% whining and complaining 

Who’s blaming the schools??

You won’t accept that I’m asking questions in good faith and respond aggressively. I’m not aware that there has been lots of research into why discrimination exists in the first place. But this debate isn’t going to be constructive on here. 

I'm not being aggressive. I'm just not going to debate the "reasons" with you, as this suggests there might actually be a good reason. There isn't. Just all stop it we're tired. 

On the Alpha Male point, it's ok for women to want someone who will protect and care for her while also giving her every opportunity to do it all herself if she chooses. That's the very definition of feminism.

so, we learn, as a point of order, if you want to be in a feminist's good books, you need to read some feminist theory

 

*fuck that*

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Except apparently you aren't that aware since you'd also know it's not a reference to the Epic of Gilgamesh but a cycle of stories centred on Inanna. Who is a much more interesting character from a social development perspective. What you posted was a regurgitated load of received wisdom crap of the kind passed on by pissheads and potheads in a JCR or music festival. 

so, we learn, as a point of order, if you want to be in a feminist's good books, you need to read some feminist theory

That's your take away message from this thread? Seriously?

Well that definitely didn't come across as pointlessly aggressive fuckwit

Wot Johnny said.

With an additional helping of there is only so much listening to incredibly privileged women sitting in ivory towers moaning about the privilege of others you can do before you feel the need to point out that their complaints are being made in a very generalized way which all too often ignores that in the hierarchy of privilege they are pretty close to the top and a lot closer to the top than many of the people whose privilege they are moaning about.