She's so so so stupid it hurts 

Yes, they believe it alright. The once proud Labour movement, created to give a voice to the working men and women of this great nation, is now a plaything for effete bourgeois intellectuals.

But if you disagree with her, you're a racist transphobe.

I cannot believe that all these people on twitter don't understand that.

The debate is over. Dawn has spoken. It is settled. END OF.

She also thinks 90% of giraffes are gay. Or something 

Point of order mr chairman  - this ‘dawn butler’ doesn’t look very effete to me. In fact she looks like you’d need a buffalo gun to bring her down. And it had better be a fatal shot because you wouldn’t want to just wing her and make her more angry.

Also ‘intellectual’?  Possibly not best applied here, given what she’s saying and all.

As to ‘bourgeois’ - she doesn’t sound it in particular but agreed that isn’t a final decider on the matter.

That line from Gladiator making a lot more sense now.

The modern Labour Party is about as representative of the workers as Clubbers doing the Cresta Run.

I doubt there's a country more relaxed about trans people than the UK.

London maybe; I doubt very much that's the view in the Red Wall towns Labour lost and needs to win back.

"Dawn Butler is a British Labour Party politician serving as Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities since 2017, and has served as Member of Parliament (MP) for Brent Central since 2015. Butler served as MP for Brent South from 2005 to 2010."

Strutter, is that you being ironic? Cos, if not that, right there, is you demonstrating brilliantly exactly how and why the battle for not passing off utter gobshite as fact is being lost, as the moral high ground is handed on a plate to idiots (on this issue) like Ms Butler...

That sort of ridiculously offensive series of comments - I mean, really, strutter, why on earth do you think it's okay to compare her to an out of control wild animal who, (heaven forfend!), being rather common, and, y'know, on the larger side, needs putting down - is precisely why she and her ilk end up able to get away with spouting arrant nonsense, because people like you see her nonsense, and raise her your offensiveness, and just like that, she "wins", and insanity is able to prevail.

Oh, so on this one we ignore the genuine issue and target and berate the messenger, cru?

Kay, kay, hip-hip-hooray.

Erm, don't be an idiot, BC, that is exactly my point.  That being as needlessly offensive as strutter was allows EXACTLY that.  Try reading what I wrote, rather than picking the argument that you want to have.

cru - I think base basa be massa.

Peace.

x

Why is it (mainly) left to feminists to get a kicking for saying 2+2 isn’t 5? So weary of cowardly left men

because you sold us down the river years ago

now deal with your own problems you twot

Pardon?

hotnow appears to be going full MRA before our eyes cru. 
 

the erosion of the equality act is *revenge* 

stop being pathetic, hotnow

This Butler woman sounds awful. To think this was once the party of Ernie Bevin, Clem Attlee, and Hugh Gaitskell.

State of this.  Threads like this reinforce my belief that - idiotic as people like Dawn Butler are - there is nothing worse than a gammon.

Well, there's you, for starters.

hoolie - hotnow has so many issues and problems, his "deep sexual inadequacy masquerading as righter of wrongs" is only one of them...

So long as he doesn't have access to actual weapons, I reckon he can be left to yell impotently (did you see what I did there?!) at the screen, the very few women who don't scare him, shop assistants who don't show him the respect that his hard won amex gold deserves, inanimate objects, trees etc.

hotnow appears to be going full MRA before our eyes cru

you can call it 'dadsnet meninism' if you like

What's MRA again, someone?

Cru you're late to the sex and body shaming party. Sorry, Linda or Anna should have explained.

Men's Rights Activist

Both men and women worried about their rights need to be less confrontational.  If we focus on equality rather than feminism or menimism we would be able to cope with trans stuff a lot more helpfully.

Hotnow - you're the gift that keeps on giving, there's more than enough material to go around!