cycling on a pavement

with very young kids. going slowly. only twats complain about this right?

pavement probably about as quiet as it possibly could be in a leafy Surrey village.

ITHE PAVEMENT IS NOT A CYLCLE LANE  YOU WANT TO CYCLE, USE THE CYCLE LANE  I DONT CARE IF THEY ARE KIDS  YOU WANT TO CYCLE WITH YOUR KIDS GO AN A CYCLE PATHWAY SOMEWHERE

Correct, Roger.  Give people a bit of leeway if they aren't doing any harm.

omg please don't be one of those twats cycling on the sidewalks/pavements/walking paths. The number of morons on Satander bikes in London zooming down heavily crowded pedestrian paths and ignoring all the do not cycle signs make me want to purchase a firearm (okay not really but in this heat don't tempt a person)

 

Well he isn't doing that is he?  I imagine (correct me if I'm wrong roger) doing a small amount of pavement cycling with little ones to get to somewhere safer.

 

absolutely infuriates me when smug family of five do this in the middle of the pavement.  arrogant and entitled.

Correct. I normally "scoot" when they get near pedestrians. 

"It's against the highway code"  - so is not leaving a car's width when overtaking a bike, speeding, not indicating, waving to invite pedestrians to cross. Hopefully the authorities will clamp down hard on all of these. 

Kid(s) cycling on the pavement with walking adult going slowly. Fine.  Adult cycling on the pavement never fine. Sorry it's just not and there is no need for it. 

Oh bananaman. Let’s just have a free for all and see who doesn’t get injured or cause problems, eh...who needs a code?! 

Also what Judy said about it being incredibly arrogant and entitled. 

We are not talking about cars on the road bananaman, we are talking about bicycles on pavements

i feel like people are just pretending your OP says "down Oxford street on Saturday afternoon" 

if it's actually an empty country village pavement at small child speed, who gives a fuck

It’s illegal. End of. Fuck off into the road. I get road riding in this country is dangerous but that’s not my fucking problem.

but I infer from the op that someone was inconvenienced and complained. 

 

Let’s just have a free for all and see who doesn’t get injured or cause problems, eh...

Stardust you jest, but there are serious experiments that are looking at something like this.

  • Removing roadmarkings
  • Removing raised kerbs
  • Turning the road into a shared space for all vehicles and pedestrians

The thinking being that everyone behaves more cautiously and respectfully.

Recent experiments in mainland Europe and more recently the UK have found that removing the traditional separation between traffic and people in urban areas can make streets safer and less congested.Removing standard kerbs,barriers, highway signs and road markings forces motorists to use eye contact with other road users and pedestrians,for which they need to be travelling at less than around 30 km/h.As this paper reports,the result is slower,more careful traffic, increased safety for cyclists and pedestrians and a more attractive urban environment overall—in which local architecture and culture prevails over standard traffic infrastructure.

Link - https://acocksgreenfocusgroup.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Ben-Hamilton-Baillie-Improving-Traffic-Behaviour-and-Safety-Through-Urban-Design.pdf

 

hence reference to the "twat", rather than Roger holding his hands up and realising that he was in the wrong.

Where the fuck do you expect young children to learn to cycle? (Other than obviously “somewhere I can neither see kit hear them like an industrial estate in Scunthorpe and then get those 8 year olds right on the main roads along with the cars”)

And loving the complaints about OTHER entitled people. Same sort of mentality that gets outraged when a shitty cyclist holds you up when you’re cruising in your Audi and they are (legally) in the road ahead of you. 

Ooh also the people who use the DING DING DING bells to get people out of their way when they're on a fucking pedestrian path...if I had covid I'd cough on them

Judy, you’re not allowed on bikes in the park. 

oh a girl on a Boris Bike ding dinged me on Piccadilly.  I told her that she if she didn't feel confident to cycle on the road, then she shouldn't be on the bike. She told me that to "be kind".   I wanted to deck her.

oo I hate the Ding Dingers as well Canadian, I dont move, in fact I slow down and you can see them behind you try to balance on two wheels

Abbs, there aren’t very many of them. And many of them are utterly fucking useless. (And that’s from the perspective of so wine who has enough cycling miles to circumnavigate the planet and then some). 
The useless grift and incompetence of local authorities isn’t the fault of kids. 

I must say I dont understand the logic of putting busses and cyclists in the same lane,  all it does is slow down the buses

So roger, we've established that your a bastard because of <insert thing that happened on Piccadilly, Regents Canal or other major London pedestrian thoroughfare>

I never learnt to ride a bike on a pavement, we have the school yard and then I suppose the roads were quieter in the old dats as there weren't  many cars, 

Out of interest, Roger, at what point do you consider that your kids are big enough to endanger themselves more and other people less by cycling on the road? Or will they just grow up to be the kind of twats adults who cycle on the pavement? 

Well it looks like someone in this 'leafy Surrey village.'  obviously had a go at rog

Where I live people are always getting upset about cyclists, dog walkers, joggers, drivers.  Now you can layer covid restrictions on top of that.  But a lot of them could lower their blood pressure a bit by reserving their ire for when they're actually (substantially) inconvenienced.  If a little family is pootling along the pavement so they don't get squished, what's it to me?

funking hell, I was right...

a 4 year old and I were cycling slowly and stopped to move away.

I genuinely couldn't give a fuck about the highway code here. my 4 yo trumps that x infinity

faod I never use them as a lone adult. that is twatty

"I genuinely couldn't give a fuck about the highway code here. my 4 yo trumps that x infinity"

 

read that back to yourself.  It makes you sound like an utter utter entitled self-congratulatory, selfish twat.

Brings back memories of cycling along the pavement of my road as a kid and some mentalist screaming at me to get on the road. 

In fact, why not teach him to be polite, well-mannered and considerate of other people by wheeling his bicycle on the pavement until you arrived at a spot to cycle, but no:

ME ME ME MY FAMILY TRUMPS EVERYONE ELSE.

Course its fine, but twats gonna twat, can't change nature.

Support Low Traffic Neighbourhoods - get those amateur cyclists off the pavement and into the road where they belong. 

'Support Low Traffic Neighbourhoods'  yes cookie  if thought through and implemented correctly, unfortunatly most of them aren't, becuase local councils are shite

With kids: Fine. Totally. Car drivers are loons, it's not safe for kids.

Anyone above the age of 13: Two shots to the back of the head (using a shotgun if it's a youth wearing a tracksuit with/ and/ or hoodie, following which the bike to be returned to whoever it was stolen from, wherever possible).

Spot the non-parent/waddling landwhale classes here.

Being someone who doesn't cycle I have no problem with it as long as the cyclists are slow and respectful of pedestrians. 

 

read that back to yourself.  It makes you sound like an utter utter entitled self-congratulatory, selfish twat.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

HOW DARE HIS 4 YEAR BRAT CYCLE ON THE PAVEMENT HOW DARE IT HOW DARE IT HOW DARE IT!!!

I'm a parent who goes cycling with his 7 year old but I'd never dream of cycling on the pavement.

Well Brexit. It’s CLEAR that he’s taken a leaf out of Dominic Cummings’ parenting guide

Tbf if you’re teaching your 4 year old to ride then you could and prolly should be walking on the pavement behind the kid

Ok, he can ride, has been riding well for 3 months or so

He was on the pavement, he saw the walker, MOVED over to the grass verge and stopped. Leaving a gap of about 3 metres.

Sorry but anyone complaining about that is a fucking twat.

I should add, that when we do this, I ALWAYS say sorry/thank you.

Reckon 80% are totally fine, 19% a bit irked but get it, 1% twats

'He was on the pavement, he saw the walker, MOVED over to the grass verge and stopped. Leaving a gap of about 3 metres.'

 

Well roger you cock womble  ,, you  never mentioned thatin the first post did you

 

That is perfectly fine and yes they are a twat

 

 

But you really need to give all the details when you post

He was on the pavement, he saw the walker, MOVED over to the grass verge and stopped. Leaving a gap of about 3 metres.

HE SOUNDS LIKE A BLOODY MENACE WHO NEEDS A CLIP ROUND THE EAR!!

yes, OP refers to children in the plural and also references you "going slowly" so a completely different scenario. "Cycling with" implies that you too were on the bike.

You know who really is a menace on roads? Horse riders. Should be totally banned from all public roads. 

I'll tell you fucks me right fucking off on the local walk and cycle trails.  Jihadists!  Fuccckkk meeee

and what is this thing now with these eletric scooters!!

 

THEY ARE ILLEGAL ON ROADS AND PAVEMENTS

 

But you are seeing them eveywhere  

Jihadists on horses on electric scooters are the fucking worst

yes, OP refers to children in the plural and also references you "going slowly" so a completely different scenario. "Cycling with" implies that you too were on the bike.

DON'T BACK DOWN THEY ARE WORTHLESS SCUM AND HIS LITTLE BRAT COULD HAVE MILDLY INCONVENIENCED YOU!!

Jihadists on electric scooters on pavements with children!!!!!!

Who has the children? The scooters or the pavements? And what about the horses??!

Brexit, would you like to try to insult me using your regular persona, rather than under your sock puppet?

I should have been clearer.  The jihadists have the children and are on scooters.  The pavements are owned by the council.  The children are on horses, owned by the jihadists. 

behaviour described in the OP is obnoxious.  

behaviour described in revised scenario is not.

utter utter entitled self-congratulatory, selfish twat

THIS REALLY IS SO PERCEPTIVE: SHE HAS THIS FATHER ABSOLUTELY BANG TO RIGHTS!!

HERE’S HOPING HE THINKS TWICE BEFORE UNLEASHING HIS LITTLE BRAT ON THE REST OF US!!

yes, they are.  you just can't see it from the pedestrian's perspective, having some child trundle into you with doting parent cycling alongside.

the circs i describe have never and would never bother me

It is literally a minor inconvenience at worst

People cycling on the pavement annoy me, but I make an exception for someone with young kids so long as they're conscious that it's not really their turf. People who get worked up about it can cock off as far as I'm concerned. Equally, adults and teenagers, particularly ones doing it obnoxiously, can cock off from the pavement too.

I have no children FAOD.

The issue here, as with lots of other things, is entitled twats thinking they are in the right. The culmination of this is the shared walkway up the ramp at Waterloo, where a combo of my right of way pedestrians and people doing a fat prick's impression of a Tour de France rider makes life terrible for everyone. 

As for the haloed "I'd never dream..." comment, maybe so, but I think most responsible adults would never dream of taking anyone other than the most competent 7yo along some of the roads the council's road design implies they are supposed to use e.g. in my case an urban A road with road narrowing islands, frequent illegal parkers and bus stops punctuating a 50ish cm wide cycle lane/painted bit of road, a three road roundabout where the configuration requires cyclists to filter from the pavement to between two lanes with zero marking between the pavement lane and the cycle stop zone, a side street where parked cars and aggressive drivers aiming to get to single car width gaps before you arrive literally play chicken with cyclists.

Some people will say "just walk", but the point of cycling is to get people undertaking distances beyond walkable ones. fine if there's a 50m section of narrow pedestrian area in the middle of 2 extensive cycle lanes, but if it basically turns the entire journey into a 1h walk to school it's time to get out the car. To be honest the answer to this all could be that you are entitled to use the right hand pavement to cycle where there are two pavements and no segregated lanes for cyclists, with the cyclist automatically liable for any injuries when cycling on the pavement, but maybe that's to sensible. Obv. the Danes have the answer as usual - wide pavement with a cycling shallow valley in it everywhere only allowing cycling in the direction of car travel on that side of the road. 

I do this when they have those roadworks and traffic lights.

 

They're just not designed for cyclists

If you're going no faster than a jogger and at a speed where you could slow down in the event of someone jumping out I don't see how it's an issue.

 

Electric scooters tho... lethal and banned on pavements for good reason

I love the ignorance spouted by people when it comes to cyclists. 

To the dicks above crying about bells- bells are not rung to aggressively tell you to get out of the way. They’re used to alert you to a cyclist coming up behind you. It’s the reason why why all new bikes are legally required to have one.

The whole country isn’t central London. There are paths etc which are shared by walkers, runners and cyclists. It’s much better to have a bit of warning that a bike is coming than being surprised when it’s right behind you. 

I just hope you never find yourselves at centerparcs. You’ll be too afraid/apoplectic to leave your cabin. 

'There are paths etc which are shared by walkers, runners and cyclists'

 

Yes and they are not PAVEMENTS

"I'd never dream..." comment, maybe so, but I think most responsible adults would never dream of taking anyone other than the most competent 7yo along some of the roads

I did think I could have phrased that better. 

I wouldn't have an issue with my 7yo on the pavement (and she doesn't cycle on roads) - but I don't think the fact that I'm cycling with her entitles me to do whatever I want especially if there are other people around.

I go cycling elsewhere with her or if I wanted her on the pavements I'd be cycling on the road / jogging / we'd both be walking.  I suppose its different as we only cycle for exercise / fun rather than to get anywhere - if we're going somewhere then we walk.

AND 'I just hope you never find yourselves at centerparcs'

Will be a cold day in hell when that ever happens wink