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CONGRATULATIONS TO JONES DAY FOR THEIR STEADFAST SUPPORT FOR PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP

AND THEIR HELP IN OVERTURNING THE FAKE ELECTION OF JOE BIDEN AND PROVING THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS WON A SECOND TERM!!

Lawyers at two top law firms—Jones Day and Porter Wright Morris & Arthur—representing President Donald Trump in his numerous election lawsuits are raising concerns about their employer’s role in helping him undermine the election, infighting, the New York Times reports, that has intensified in the midst of Trump’s dangerous lies about a “rigged” race and unfounded claims of voter fraud. 

The two firms have already filed at least four lawsuits contesting parts of the 2020 vote in Pennsylvania, pending cases that are part of the Trump campaign’s mounting legal effort to challenge votes in multiple battleground states. Some of these filings have been promptly dismissed by judges, and elections expert say the strategy is unlikely to bear fruit—not only because of the lack of specific examples or evidence to support their complaints but because President-elect Joe Biden’s “margin of victory is too wide for court cases to reverse” and “existing court cases deal with too votes, if any, to matter,” CNN reports. Still, the Trump campaign is leaning on the courts to legitimize their ongoing lies about election fraud, which has fueled tension inside the law firms representing the president in such judicial proceedings.

JONES DAY IS THE KIND OF LAW FIRM I WOULD BE PROUD - PROUD!!! - TO WORK FOR OR INSTRUCT!!

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/jones-day-porter-wright-law-fir…

JONES DAY WON'T LET THIS CORRUPT ELECTION RESULT STAND OR LET FAKE NEWS PRESIDENT-ELECT SLEEPY JOE TAKE OFFICE!

JONES DAY WILL SEE DEMOCRACY RESTORED TO AMERICA BY ENSURING THAT PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ENJOYS HIS RIGHTFUL SECOND TERM!!

JONES DAY: I SALUTE YOU!!!

 just to destabilise faith in the institutions of democracy in the US?

JONES DAY IS WORKING HARD TO ENSURE THAT HARD-WORKING AMERICAN PATRIOTS UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS A FAKE ELECTION WHICH THE DEMON-CRATS TRIED TO STEAL FROM PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND THAT SLEEPY JOE CAN NEVER BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE WINNER!!

THANK YOU JONES DAY YOU ARE REAL LAWYERS NOT FAKE NEWS LAWYERS!!

"yeah but challenging an election result against better knowledge just to destabilise faith in the institutions of democracy in the US?"

This sounds exactly like what Brexiteers said about the challenges by Gina Miller and others to the UK government over various aspects of Brexit, starting with whether the government needed parliamentary approval before it could submit an Art 50 notification.  Destabilising faith in democracy, etc.

I cannot remember what Gina Miller's legal action comprised, anyway, it did not reverse brexit and no remainers asserted that the referendum was based on "illegal votes" or fraud

This sounds exactly like...

AH BUT YOU'RE FORGETTING ALL THE VERY REAL EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD THAT JONES DAY IS RELYING UPON - IN UTMOST GOOD FAITH - IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE TO HARD-WORKING AMERICAN PATRIOTS THAT SLEEPY JOE'S "WIN" IS A DISGRACEFUL FRAUD AND HE IS ILLEGITIMATE!!

WHEREAS - AND I WILL NEED TO CHECK THIS AS IT HAS BEEN SOME TIME - GINA MILLER'S ENTIRELY MERITLESS  AND VEXATIOUS LAWSUIT WAS LAUGHED OUT OF COURT!!

"I cannot remember what Gina Miller's legal action comprised, anyway, it did not reverse brexit and no remainers asserted that the referendum was based on "illegal votes" or fraud"

There have been lots of claims from Remainers that Russia was involved in promoting Brexit.  There have been lots of claims from Remainers that the Brexit result was based on lies told by the Leave campaign.  Were you living outside the UK between 2016 and 2019?  (FWIW I'm an ardent Remainer but I am at least reality-based.)

yeah and both claims are true - but no one challenged the vote count. people were discussing pro brexit propaganda and lies that have been peddled prior to the referendum but not the legitimacy of the referendum itself

Can you see the difference between Russia influencing the election via (for example) social media and electoral fraud of the type Donald Trump is alleging (ie tampering with ballots)?

because there is plenty of evidence of the former and absolutely no evidence of the latter

Heffalump11 Nov 20 09:30

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I hate this shit. The lawyer is not the client. Even the worst people are entitled to legal advice and representation.

 

While this is true, bringing frivolous, unevidenced claims is not a good look for any law firm.

if you challenge the election result, the ballot count, against better knowledge and fully expecting to fail just to max out your position, create uncertainty and destabilise democratic institutions which are the foundation of democracy, then you are not democratically minded, you are not a democrat, you do not feel the wish to live in a democracy, all you want is power, even if it is illegitimate and such people should not hold public office in a democracy, obviously

Yeah it’s not like criminal practice. JD are choosing to act for a massive khunt here doing khuntweasely things for (a) money and (b) possibly other reasons 
 

By their khuntweasely ways doth one know the khuntweasel 

WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT JONES DAY GET THE RECOGNITION THEY DESERVE FOR THE GOOD WORK THEY ARE DOING!!

I ONLY WISH I KNEW THE PARTNERS DIRECTLY INVOLVED SO I COULD WRITE TO THEM AND THANK THEM PERSONALLY!!

Maybe the Trump guys should suggest a second election? A lot of the Biden voters never voted before and many of them had never used mail in ballots so they probably didn’t understand what they were voting for. 

well the Biden campaign did not tell lies though or did they and if yes, which ones?

besides there will be another election in 4 year's time so people can reverse a decision they have made not being fully informed or being informed with untruths

This sounds exactly like what Brexiteers said about the challenges by Gina Miller and others to the UK government over various aspects of Brexit, starting with whether the government needed parliamentary approval before it could submit an Art 50 notification.  Destabilising faith in democracy, etc.

 

Agreed.  We must let the ill informed, spittle-flecked rantings of a bunch of racist idiots in the UK determine how decent people respond to an attempted coup in the US.

We must let the ill informed, spittle-flecked rantings of a bunch of racist idiots in the UK determine how decent people respond to an attempted coup in the US.

QUITE RIGHT: WE MUST IGNORE THE WAY THE REMOANERS RANTED ABOUT PROROGUING PARLIAMENT ETC. - ALL PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE AS IT WAS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE - AND CONCENTRATE ON FIGHTING SLEEPY JOE’S ATTEMPTED COUP!!

WITH JONES DAY LEADING THE CHARGE!!!

What Heff said (up to a point).

Trump is a twot and his legal claims about the election are absolute nonsense but until it reaches the point where a court says he can't bring any more claims he is entitled to bring them and entitled to have lawyers represent him in bringing them. 

There must be a line though.  Where claims are both obviously vexatious and clearly aimed at undermining the democratic process there must be a point where the lawyers are right to say enough is enough this is frankly now embarrassing and we don't want to be involved.  That point surely can't be far off with Trump. 

 

"Agreed.  We must let the ill informed, spittle-flecked rantings of a bunch of racist idiots in the UK determine how decent people respond to an attempted coup in the US."

Bringing legal challenges under a courts system in a country that follows the rule of law =/= attempted coup.

It was not an attempted coup when Remainers brought legal actions in the U.K.  It is not an attempted coup when the Trump campaign brings legal actions in the U.S.  

FWIW referring to those who criticised Remainer legal actions in the U.K. as "racist idiots" is not generally correct and doesn't contribute anything to a discussion.

If legal proceedings taken by the Trump campaign are clearly vexatious then they will be thrown out very quickly. I agree that lawyers should not be supporting clients in taking actions that have no possibility whatsoever of success. However, unlike the experts on this thread I don't purport to be such an expert that I know the likelihood of success of any such action by the Trump campaign. I don't agree that bring legal proceedings to ensure enforcement of electoral law is undermining the democratic process. The democratic process is undermined much more when breaches of electoral law go unremedied because legal counsel are intimidated from representing people in challenging such breaches.  Let's see whether the Trump campaign brings legal proceeding and where those proceedings get to before judging.

Even though many millions of US presidential votes remain to be counted (what happened to "Count every vote"?), it seems to me to be beyond remote that even successful challenges will result in changes to vote counts so as to result in Trump winning. However, I note that there are many Democrat candidates for senate and house seat races that are still being counted and that have not conceded even though various media outlets have projected them to lose their races.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT JONES DAY IS ACTING IN GOOD FAITH IN ORDER TO SAVE A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION BEING STOLEN BY SLEEPY JOE!!

EVERYONE AT JONES DAY SHOULD FEEL VERY PROUD OF THEMSELVES, AND I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THEIR CLIENTS CAN APPRECIATE WHAT THEY’RE DOING FOR DEMOCRACY

My impression is that Trump's actual legal actions as pressed by the lawyers are poor, but I haven't seen any evidence his lawyers have stepped over an ethical line. there is a MASSIVE difference between what the actions are and what Trump says they are.

"Even though many millions of US presidential votes remain to be counted (what happened to "Count every vote"?)"

Firstly, I don't believe that's correct (that there are "many millions" still uncounted), I'm pretty sure that you're making that up.

Secondly, I think only the orange moron and his venal, amoral supporters have suggested that not every vote should be counted. I mean, that is actually at the heart of many of their complaints (I believe their strategy is, broadly, where we won, stop counting, now!  Where we lost, never stop counting!)

And, as for "let's see how this plays out", that would be fine if it weren't for the fact that it is crystal clear that, for Trump and his fellow pigs, this isn't about any sincere belief that their legal claims have any merit.  Instead, this is about causing as much disruption as they can in the short time they have left, continuing to foment as much discord as possible (however dangerous that may be - after all, they're not the ones receiving death threats, or being intimidated while trying to do their jobs - and it is absolutely only a matter of time before someone gets hurt), doing what they can to ensure that his "base" will continue to be convinced that Biden did not "legally" win, and so do what they can to keep Trumpism alive.

So while I sort of agree with Heff, I do hope that this comes back to royally bite Jones Day on the arse somehow, I really really hope it does them nothing but damage.

"Firstly, I don't believe that's correct (that there are "many millions" still uncounted), I'm pretty sure that you're making that up."

This story

latimes.com/california/story/2020-11-10/la-county-vote-system-gets-high-marks-votes-trickle-in

from yesterday's LA Times, says that 

"The latest count, released Tuesday evening by the California secretary of state, showed that roughly 1.5 million ballots — including 1.1 million cast by mail — remain uncounted by counties, which tally and report their results at varying paces to the state. The final tally isn’t expected until Dec. 3."

This story, posted yesterday, says that 1 million votes remain to be counted in New York

https://therealdeal.com/2020/11/10/this-election-isnt-over-real-estate-…

That's 2.5 million votes and I have not even started looking at other states.

This sort of timing is totally normal in a US election and the reason that, unlike elections in Europe, there is this system in the US of the principal media outlets (AP, NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, NYTimes) "calling" races in advance of the votes being counted.

I suggest that next time before you make claims about someone making things up you bother to educate yourself about the actuality of the situation.  

Apparently, they have had internal meetings in which their lawyers have expressed their "discomfort".

Although, seeing as they have, allegedly earned more than USD 20m from him so far, I imagine those lawyers will be told that they can take their discomfort, and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

Apparently, they have had internal meetings in which their lawyers have expressed their "discomfort".

DISCOMFORT THAT THEY’RE NOT DOING MORE TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION RESULT?!? GOD THEY’RE DEDICATED!

Although, seeing as they have, allegedly earned more than USD 20m from him so far, I imagine those lawyers will be told that they can take their discomfort, and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

They might have billed more than USD 20m. But

  1. Jones Day's gross revenue for 2019 was around the USD 2.08 billon mark, so there's a lot more that USD 20m to lose if big clients leave over this
  2. Trump's reputation is not that he pays his creditors the amount due, when due

HA HA

yeah imagine, at first they get internal trouble and fighting

then they get problems with clients other than team trump

THEN team trump doesn't pay them

donny: "sorry I'm skint, these fake news are foreclosing on me"

team trump: "who the fook are you? what do you mean retainer? oh that. well our little LLC here does not have any cash left, u see? now piss off, thanks"

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