Uncontrolled immigation, thanks to Merkel, was the Brexit tipping point. And made several other, otherwise stable, European countries very unhappy too.
you think a campaing that banged on about "control of borders" and has the Maybot still runing around talking about people "jumping the queue into britain" wasn't largely about immigration?
She's more right about Brexit than just about anything else in that article.
I just don't see how people who voted for Brexit aren't just mortifyingly embarrassed about it. It is and always was going to be a complete shitshow. How is there anyone left who is able to say with a straight face that they think we'll be better off. Voting for Brexit was an even stupider thing to have done than voting for Trump. In the hierarchy of idiocy, Voting for Brexit is above voting for Trump on the really fooking stupid scale. At least Trump will be voted out of office after 4 years, Brexit is going to be permanent if this absolute fooking goat rodeo carries on.
More lazy arguments from lazy remainers. I feel ashamed to have voted the same way some of you did.
Why don't you try to take some time to understand the other reasons the country voted to leave, rather than joining the chorus of virtue signalling. Doing so might actually do the country some good, rather than relying on the demonisation of Leavers as old, white, racist, stupid, and the 'Other'.
Presumably that very few of the things "Vote Leave" or any of the other definitely separate leave campaigns promised will actually materialise, whereas quite a lot of the things "Project Fear" warned about will?
Supes, m3, your life is an echo-chamber where any opinions contrary to your own are interpreted as contrarian, tedious, or uneducated. You are the epitome of ignorant.
They voted leave because they believed the bullshit, largely because it was easier to believe Farage's fairytales than it was to actually engage their brains and come to terms with the fact that the world is incredibly complex.
"Oh, my life is shit, but rather than look at the real causes of it I'll just blame all the immigrant like good old Nice says."
Who needs to understand Gini coefficients, international trade, the difference between direct and indirect effectiveness, MiFID passports and EMIR when we can just blame the brown people and have our cake and eat it too, eh?
If you were so much like all of the other clowns out there it might not be so tedious, but when you've seen half a dozen other bell ends trying to be clever making the same points on twitter and youtube it gets boring as fook. You have become boringly unoriginal as fook.
Leave the biggest trading group in the world? Its not run by evil foreigners, we were in there, part of it, no reason why some clever British person couldn't be President of the European Commission, the ECB or the ECJ. Or could have stopped the immigration nonsense.
Or the 'ever closer union' bollocks.
I used to think we were good at politics. Evidently not.
I think stopping the 'ever closer union' nonsense was the one thing that could save the EU (and stopped us from leaving) yet simultaneously the hardest thing to change.
I probably mentioned this before, but i had dinner with friends a while back. one of the guys there was an Italian diplomat (deffo Opus Dei as he had about nine kids and was still in his 30s). I commented that surely most europeans were delighted that we'd left as they can now get on with their project without us being difficult. He made the point that most of europe was seriously concerned about the consequences because they had always seen us as a check on Franco-german influence
they voted leave because of the blame culture society we have, and the evil sovereignty-stealing immigrant-encouraging EU is the fall guy
when we leave I wonder who will be the new baddies to blame
as Supes said, the world is very complex and most of us have no idea how it works, least of all the average leave voter. In one of the two Brexit-related conversations I have ever had with my Farage fanboi father I mentioned the loss of passporting rights - he had never heard of these but was very upset about the poor fishermen. Basically, they see what they want to see and a lot of the older ones have no idea that the world has actually moved on in the last 40 years.
"Basically, they see what they want to see" is just as legitimate a criticism of the remain camp.....The Treasurys projections, and Project Fear, are testament to this
There would not be ""a clusterfook of epic proportions". There would be disruption for several months, perhaps more than a year. There would probably be all manner of long queues at airports and with lorrys. we might run out of a few things. but that is not "epic proportions". "Epic Proportions" is a three day week, striking miners, bombs killing MPs, you name it. But none of those things are likely as a result of having to quickly implement customs/borders controls.
I completely understand peoples concerns, but people are also soft as Shite and need to man the fook up
There would be disruption for several months, perhaps more than a year.
Heathrow Airport have made plans to enable them to financially survive having to close for up to two months.
There would probably be all manner of long queues at airports and with lorrys and anything relying on a just in time supply chain model would be utterly fooked.
we might run out of a few things like life-saving drugs, putting people's lives at risk.
but that is not "epic proportions"providing you don't rely on any of the above things.
christ alive, its a miracle you're even able to wipe your own arse. Do you still live with your mummy? are you still breast-fed? Do you have a level of competence in anything other than whingeing about much danger we're in.
With people like you it is incredible that we're a even a developed country
There were almost 9 million more votes cast for Democrats than there were for Republicans. That is bigger than any midterm victory since at least Watergate if not earlier, as more votes are still being counted in California.
40 house seats were lost by Republicans to Democrats, including all of Orange County, which is like the most Republican place in the country. Gerrymandering is the only thing that kept the actual number of seats from breaking the record.
And Unemployment is at historic lows, the Dow at historic highs, growth, though not as good as Obama's still healthy...and Trump and his Party still got creamed. No wonder he's been so pissed off lately.
Oh, and your clever little "trump had a better midterm than Obama and Clinton" schtick was done to death by smarter people than you on twitter.
Flash, you can sneer all you like, but in the real world most people would find those things a totally unacceptable outcome of Brexit, and not a price worth paying.
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Finally, she's sayong something sensible rather than the "I lost cuz i iz a woman" nonsense
Populism doesn't just magically appear. Its the result of successive governments completely ignoring its people
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An addition, Germany leaving the Euro would also help significantly
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If Germany left the euro, the euro couldn't survive.
If that is going to happen, it would be better to carefully dismantle it step by step, rather than wait for an economic crisis to collapse it.
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Why couldn't the euro survive without germany?
It would never be dismantled as that would undermine "ever closer union" and the EU ego simply couldn't take it.
I expect the next economic crisis to collapse it
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Brexit, described by Clinton as the biggest act of national economic self-harm in modern history, “was largely about immigration”
i take back what i said, she's still a complete moron
and a criminal
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Uncontrolled immigation, thanks to Merkel, was the Brexit tipping point. And made several other, otherwise stable, European countries very unhappy too.
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you think a campaing that banged on about "control of borders" and has the Maybot still runing around talking about people "jumping the queue into britain" wasn't largely about immigration?
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Funny how the Russians really got stuck in to Syria once Merkel said that Germany would take in migrants.
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* immigration *
Not conflict refugees, just able bodied opportunists. who caused havoc throughout Europe.
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She's more right about Brexit than just about anything else in that article.
I just don't see how people who voted for Brexit aren't just mortifyingly embarrassed about it. It is and always was going to be a complete shitshow. How is there anyone left who is able to say with a straight face that they think we'll be better off. Voting for Brexit was an even stupider thing to have done than voting for Trump. In the hierarchy of idiocy, Voting for Brexit is above voting for Trump on the really fooking stupid scale. At least Trump will be voted out of office after 4 years, Brexit is going to be permanent if this absolute fooking goat rodeo carries on.
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I voted remain but lots of brexiteers voted knowing they would be financially worse off. Not everyone has money at the heart of all that they do.
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Yeah, it's amazing what people will pay to get rid of the forrins, eh Lyds?
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More lazy arguments from lazy remainers. I feel ashamed to have voted the same way some of you did.
Why don't you try to take some time to understand the other reasons the country voted to leave, rather than joining the chorus of virtue signalling. Doing so might actually do the country some good, rather than relying on the demonisation of Leavers as old, white, racist, stupid, and the 'Other'.
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Do you think that Brexit will end well Flash?
Do you, looking at the reality of what the Leave vote means, think that any of this is a good idea?
I'm pretty sure that you don't, so who is really the one virtue signalling here?
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what is the reality of the leave vote, according to you?
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Presumably that very few of the things "Vote Leave" or any of the other definitely separate leave campaigns promised will actually materialise, whereas quite a lot of the things "Project Fear" warned about will?
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Exactly what you know it to be but pretend otherwise.
You are so fooking tedious these days. Cant you go back to talking about cars and women?
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Like the sudden and profound economic consequences.....that resulted in the highest growth and lowest unemployment in europe
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Nobody I know who voted leave can give me a coherent reason now why they did.
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What were those reasons? Serious question.
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Supes, m3, your life is an echo-chamber where any opinions contrary to your own are interpreted as contrarian, tedious, or uneducated. You are the epitome of ignorant.
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They voted leave because they believed the bullshit, largely because it was easier to believe Farage's fairytales than it was to actually engage their brains and come to terms with the fact that the world is incredibly complex.
"Oh, my life is shit, but rather than look at the real causes of it I'll just blame all the immigrant like good old Nice says."
Who needs to understand Gini coefficients, international trade, the difference between direct and indirect effectiveness, MiFID passports and EMIR when we can just blame the brown people and have our cake and eat it too, eh?
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Lol, says the man who listens to the Joe Rogan podcast!
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Lol, you are literally the angriest man in the world
kissy kissy
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If you were so much like all of the other clowns out there it might not be so tedious, but when you've seen half a dozen other bell ends trying to be clever making the same points on twitter and youtube it gets boring as fook. You have become boringly unoriginal as fook.
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chill my friend, you'll have a stroke or get spontaneous type 2 diabetes or something
does make me wonder, if the EU is so great and the UK is so sh*t without it, why you a) came here, and b) decided to stay
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Leave the biggest trading group in the world? Its not run by evil foreigners, we were in there, part of it, no reason why some clever British person couldn't be President of the European Commission, the ECB or the ECJ. Or could have stopped the immigration nonsense.
Or the 'ever closer union' bollocks.
I used to think we were good at politics. Evidently not.
I guess we didn't care too much.
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Supes, next time you insult me, can you see if you can write "fook" more than you did in that post
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I think stopping the 'ever closer union' nonsense was the one thing that could save the EU (and stopped us from leaving) yet simultaneously the hardest thing to change.
I probably mentioned this before, but i had dinner with friends a while back. one of the guys there was an Italian diplomat (deffo Opus Dei as he had about nine kids and was still in his 30s). I commented that surely most europeans were delighted that we'd left as they can now get on with their project without us being difficult. He made the point that most of europe was seriously concerned about the consequences because they had always seen us as a check on Franco-german influence
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On the other hand, some of the Germans are bemoaning the fact that they are losing us but "keeping Italy".
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they voted leave because of the blame culture society we have, and the evil sovereignty-stealing immigrant-encouraging EU is the fall guy
when we leave I wonder who will be the new baddies to blame
as Supes said, the world is very complex and most of us have no idea how it works, least of all the average leave voter. In one of the two Brexit-related conversations I have ever had with my Farage fanboi father I mentioned the loss of passporting rights - he had never heard of these but was very upset about the poor fishermen. Basically, they see what they want to see and a lot of the older ones have no idea that the world has actually moved on in the last 40 years.
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"Basically, they see what they want to see" is just as legitimate a criticism of the remain camp.....The Treasurys projections, and Project Fear, are testament to this
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If you don't understand people's concern about the likely consequences of a no deal Brexit then you really must be quite dim.
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why are you insulting me? i never said i dont understand the concerns, i do. i dont understand the hysteria
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If you are dismissing it as "hysteria" then you clearly haven't understood the concerns.
No deal would be a clusterfook of epic proportions.
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There would not be ""a clusterfook of epic proportions". There would be disruption for several months, perhaps more than a year. There would probably be all manner of long queues at airports and with lorrys. we might run out of a few things. but that is not "epic proportions". "Epic Proportions" is a three day week, striking miners, bombs killing MPs, you name it. But none of those things are likely as a result of having to quickly implement customs/borders controls.
I completely understand peoples concerns, but people are also soft as Shite and need to man the fook up
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heh
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There would be disruption for several months, perhaps more than a year.
Heathrow Airport have made plans to enable them to financially survive having to close for up to two months.
There would probably be all manner of long queues at airports and with lorrys and anything relying on a just in time supply chain model would be utterly fooked.
we might run out of a few things like life-saving drugs, putting people's lives at risk.
but that is not "epic proportions" providing you don't rely on any of the above things.
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Hey Draco! Tell us about how the Democrats were going to get an almighty kicking in the midterms. Lol!
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Oh, my life is shit, but rather than look at the real causes of it
Please let us all in on your knowledge of the lives of the working class and the causes of their supposed shitness. I for one am all ears
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christ alive, its a miracle you're even able to wipe your own arse. Do you still live with your mummy? are you still breast-fed? Do you have a level of competence in anything other than whingeing about much danger we're in.
With people like you it is incredible that we're a even a developed country
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lol@Supes - if my memory serves me, Trump had a more succesful midterm than Vlinton OR Obama
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You memory does not serve you well.
There were almost 9 million more votes cast for Democrats than there were for Republicans. That is bigger than any midterm victory since at least Watergate if not earlier, as more votes are still being counted in California.
40 house seats were lost by Republicans to Democrats, including all of Orange County, which is like the most Republican place in the country. Gerrymandering is the only thing that kept the actual number of seats from breaking the record.
And Unemployment is at historic lows, the Dow at historic highs, growth, though not as good as Obama's still healthy...and Trump and his Party still got creamed. No wonder he's been so pissed off lately.
Oh, and your clever little "trump had a better midterm than Obama and Clinton" schtick was done to death by smarter people than you on twitter.
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Yes, Abs. For all intents and purposes, yes.
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Flash, you can sneer all you like, but in the real world most people would find those things a totally unacceptable outcome of Brexit, and not a price worth paying.
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