Classic films you’ve only just watched
a perfectly no… 10 Oct 19 11:56
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I recently decided to watch some of the films I’ve never seen from the second golden age of cinema, ie the seventies.

In pursuit of this goal, I have contrived to watch Easy Rider (1969) and The Shining (1980). 

Easy Rider is a nice film, lovingly made. OK a lot of it is dialogue-free panning shots of the American landscape set to stoner rock, but that’s quite pleasant. The main dramatic interest is the contrast between the laconic but quite conventionally mannered Wyatt and the perma-monged, expressive and edgy Billy. Fonda is great, he never really found another role even half as good. It’s kind of lost something over time, but still good.

The Shining was scarier than I expected but at the same time slightly disappointing. You can kind of guess most of the plot twists but it still works. The “here’s Johnny” bit isn’t as good as expected. Room 237 is scary as fuck. 4.5/5, the only problem being I’d expected it to be a super-5.

 

A Town Like Alice.  I've decided I need to watch more classic films recently too so glad to hear suggestions.

I saw "The Way We Were" recently.  It was shit. 

I might try Dog Day Afternoon next

DDA is superb. 
 

I reckon Easy Rider only really resonates if you’re from that stoner trippy generation. 

Sunset Boulevard (1950). For some reason, only watched it about a fortnight ago.

There are actually very few iconic Golden Age films I haven't seen. Another which I must do is All About Eve (1950). Oh, and there's West Side Story (1961) but probably cba with all that shouty singing tbh.

Easy Rider is best appreciated when you're a teenager dreaming of liberation from exams and parents with their silly little rules.

I found it quite amusing that the lead characters were given the day job of motorbike stuntmen - after all that’s a pretty cool job which doesn’t really speak of soul-bludgeoning routine - the escapist road trip fantasy would have seemed more natural for, say, two guys who worked in carpet sales.

They do ofc meet a disillusioned lawyer along the way. No doubt whatsoever, Nicholson’s George Hanson would ROF.

would like to see American Graffiti

Dux, I only just watched Sunset Boulevard as well. Thought it was ace. I love a black and white film (I watched the Sir John Mills version of Great Expectations quite a lot as a kid!)

It's wonderfully over the top, but more than just a melodrama. There are some proper film noir elements in there.

The problem (such as it is) with watching classic movies like this for the first time now is that they lose some of their impact as what made them new and fresh has been copied a million times since. Same goes with music and literature I guess. 
 

doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile mind. 
 

I would commend “the conversation” to follow on from OP

If you can stomach black and white it is worth watching the old hammer horrors : Boris karloff as the mummy and Frankenstein, Lon Cheney as the Wildman and the mummy as well.  Some of these are properly scary.

School For Scoundrels

(About which you have heard so much you might believe you have seen it already)

lots of fun

Has anyone watched the infamous 1930s film Freaks? That is some seriously fascinating black and white noir!

School for Scoundrels is brilliant! Not sure it can in any way be described as a classic though!

Freaks is very unsettling.

One day I will have to watch Citizen Kane ,which illuminati rave about, all through 

Watched about 5 minutes of it about 20 times, but each time decided that life's too short 

Thinking back, the other minor gripe with The Shining is that Jack's character isn't really developed at all. Alright you learn a little of his alcoholic backstory but you just get the perfunctory job interview and then he pitches straight into going mental. I thought, given that the film is a slightly unnecessary 2.5 hours long, they could have given Sane Jack a bit more airplay. Still enjoyed it tho.

Also, the "Indian burial ground" schtick - how many times does that crop up in American cinema? See also Poltergeist (roughly contemporaneous). It's almost like white America is plagued by subconscious ancestral guilt, or something.

Wang's Upon a Time

10 Oct 19 12:30

If you can stomach black and white it is worth watching the old hammer horrors : Boris karloff as the mummy and Frankenstein, Lon Cheney as the Wildman and the mummy as well.  Some of these are properly scary.

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Wang! Walk of shame twice in 2 days for YOU.

Those are Universal monster movies, not Hammer.

They are good, mind you, including the Abbot & Costello Meets The Mummy one.

I'm ignoring your Wildman/Wolfman slip, btw.

a perfectly normal human being

10 Oct 19 13:19

Thinking back, the other minor gripe with The Shining is that Jack's character isn't really developed at all. Alright you learn a little of his alcoholic backstory but you just get the perfunctory job interview and then he pitches straight into going mental.

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Which is Stephen King's major gripe with the film. He also says he thinks it makes the wife/mother too much of a victim, although having read the novel I don't really see how he thinks that's radically different from the source material.

She's the lynchpin, and in many ways Duval's is the key performance, given that Nicholson gets little character development to work with. I agree with your take tho - difficult to see how she could be played other than as a victim. As the only major character who's a non Shiner, she is kind of the audience's avatar.

The best scene I think is the one where all the characters are having their own personal nightmares - Jack literally having a nightmare about hurting his family, Danny exploring the delights of Rm 237, and something nasty going on for Wendy too. That was the peak of the film's power. It actually got a bit less scary toward the end.

Tell you what, the "Shining noise" is pretty much the scariest sound I've ever heard, with the exception of the Darwin Cyclone Tracy warning siren. Kubrick really throws the whole horror film soundtrack toolkit at the wall.

Looking forward to Doctor Sleep? I preferred that novel to The Shining.

I actually very much am, although I haven't read the book. Probably my most anticipated film release recently apart from Joker, which I haven't seen yet because travel schedule.

Never seen The Shining. Stephen King doesn't exactly grab me as an entertaining choice of viewing of an evening....

In terms of staying with you in a lingering nasty psychological way, The Shining is actually one of the "nicer" Stephen King films... although it's weird how Shawshank turns into a feelgood movie in the last 10mins.

most classic films are shit if you watch a film with the expectation of 'i must watch it, it's a classic'

never rated The Shining, the book is much better

I can count the decent films made since 1965 on my fingers tbh.

Lemme guess ducks, does one of the fingers have 'Battle of Britain' tattooed on it?

3-ducks

10 Oct 19 14:42

I can count the decent films made since 1965 on my fingers tbh.

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Cool Hand Luke

Toy Story

The Odd Couple

Taking of Pelham One Two Three

Italian Job 

Godfather Part 2

Terminator 2

Empire Strikes Back

Dirty Harry

Ghostbusters

The Thing

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There's 11 already.

Terminator 2 was for a long time my fave film ever and is still top 5

Watched the Hustler a year or so ago.  Color of money was a follow up i saw at the cinima but only just got round to watching this   even in black and white paul newmans eyes shine.

Of that list Pelham 123 and the Italian Job are good shouts.

The Sting, my God Redford is good in that.

+1 for School For Scoundrels, it was on Film4 about 3am when my youngest was teething about a year ago, one of my happier memories. Terry-Thomas absolutely nails it.

If you haven't watched Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, you have missed out.

Some other classics I've seen that are worth a watch I think:

Casablanca
The Deer Hunter
Some Like it Hot

Scott Pilgrim should make the list of decent recent films.

for certain values of "recent".

It captures 90s gigs and dating perfectly. To a tee.

fuck, hanners is from norfolk??!?

 

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I can count the decent films made since 1965 on my fingers tbh.

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Cool Hand Luke

Toy Story

The Odd Couple

Taking of Pelham One Two Three

Italian Job 

Godfather Part 2

Terminator 2

Empire Strikes Back

Dirty Harry

Ghostbusters

The Thing

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There's 11 already

Watched Chinatown. Terrific. Dunaway: HAWT.

Does the Lost Boys count?  Watched it for the first time a few weeks ago. 

No, it’s cult rather than classic.  Wickerman is a cult classic, for comparison purposes.