Why the actual fvck is this not happening for weeks yet? It's insane. There is so little time yet. It's not like parliament has more important sh1t to be dealing with. Just get the actual fvck on with it ffs.
Well, there is that, but it's mainly the fact that Brexit was sold to the electorate as the easiest deal in history with loads of advantages and no economic downsides. If it had been sold to us as "maybe a deal which leaves us a bit financially poorer and a vassal state to the EU, or maybe a chaotic no deal exit which totally fooks the economy, who knows but at least we'll be out of the EU, yay!" then no fooker would have voted for it.
OK, maybe a few pillocks like you would have done. But nothing even close to a majority.
Who cares how it was "sold"? 95% of the Establishment supported Remain.
Besides, politicians have always lied. Churchill told the most outrageous lies about the "dangers" of a postwar Labour government. So did Heath when he got us into this wretched mess in the first place.
Accept a ‘degree of economic hardship’ - up to and including your unemployment and/or losing your home or are you happy to accept that degree of economic hardship only on behalf of others?
Five days of debate? What the actual fvck is there to debate? It is a take it or leave it vote. The government can't offer any concessions. What is the point in talking about it more. Read the fvcking deal. Vote it down (it's an absolute disgrace of a deal) and start work on Plan B. There really ain't much time left.
It's that I accept the need for a degree of economic hardship as the price for independence.
So put that on the ballot paper and ask everyone whether they'd be happy to accept economic hardship as the "price for independence" (lolz), and if they vote yes, you have your answer.
Don't offer people a choice between remain and unicorns and then try to tell everyone that they voted for the option that wasn't remain, ergo they must be happy with economic hardship, which is the real alternative to remain (since unicorns don't exist).
If the people who sacrificed or risked their lives in either world war were here today, they would be perfectly justified in telling you to stop using their sacrifices to support your political agenda and implying that you know what their views on the EU would have been.
What do they hope to achieve by delaying it ? They do know time is against them . When the EU say that is the best and final offer , I believe them absolutely.
In fairness the briefing seems to be all over the place again now but it looks like the door is being opened for a delay while she begs the EU to throw her a big enough bone to save her.
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Who cares? Unless she can persuade Labour (fantastically unlikely), it's failed anyway.
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Because when it fails we need to sort out a plan B and time is, to say the least, pretty fvcking short now.
I am not a project fear type but there is real risk of a seriously disorderly period if the EU get ar8ey about this.
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They need a week to shout and jeer at each other about it first.
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There are apparently going to be five days of debate. fook's sake.
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as I said...
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Bovvered. We're not going to reach a "deal".
Let's just leave.
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Anyway, if this gets the requisite 100,000 signatures in the next few days they could roll it all into one, eh?
Sign and share, sign and share.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232984
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There's no mandate for "just leaving", Dux. So no, let's not.
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Right 'coz the ref was just advisory yeh?
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Dux - have you been paying no attention over the last couple of years?
Are you not aware of how economically disastrous ‘let’s just leave’ is?
Or do you just not care?
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Well, there is that, but it's mainly the fact that Brexit was sold to the electorate as the easiest deal in history with loads of advantages and no economic downsides. If it had been sold to us as "maybe a deal which leaves us a bit financially poorer and a vassal state to the EU, or maybe a chaotic no deal exit which totally fooks the economy, who knows but at least we'll be out of the EU, yay!" then no fooker would have voted for it.
OK, maybe a few pillocks like you would have done. But nothing even close to a majority.
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It's not that I don't care. It's that I accept the need for a degree of economic hardship as the price for independence.
That's something every country in the Commonwealth experienced when they finally escaped British colonial rule.
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Who cares how it was "sold"? 95% of the Establishment supported Remain.
Besides, politicians have always lied. Churchill told the most outrageous lies about the "dangers" of a postwar Labour government. So did Heath when he got us into this wretched mess in the first place.
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Accept a ‘degree of economic hardship’ - up to and including your unemployment and/or losing your home or are you happy to accept that degree of economic hardship only on behalf of others?
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Five days of debate? What the actual fvck is there to debate? It is a take it or leave it vote. The government can't offer any concessions. What is the point in talking about it more. Read the fvcking deal. Vote it down (it's an absolute disgrace of a deal) and start work on Plan B. There really ain't much time left.
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Wot catters said
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they can't win TBF, if they'd had a day of debate instantly people would have been moaning 'but we need proper time to debate!'
the whole thing is so Kobayashi Maru it hurts
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It's that I accept the need for a degree of economic hardship as the price for independence.
So put that on the ballot paper and ask everyone whether they'd be happy to accept economic hardship as the "price for independence" (lolz), and if they vote yes, you have your answer.
Don't offer people a choice between remain and unicorns and then try to tell everyone that they voted for the option that wasn't remain, ergo they must be happy with economic hardship, which is the real alternative to remain (since unicorns don't exist).
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PS - I hope you lose your job and your home, so you can talk about econolic hardship with some actual authority.
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oh Elphi.
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Oh do fook the fook off, Elphi.
If the people who sacrificed or risked their lives in either world war were here today, they would be perfectly justified in telling you to stop using their sacrifices to support your political agenda and implying that you know what their views on the EU would have been.
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Oh Serge, I have missed you.
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We always have had 'independence' within the EU. We don't have the Euro, we're not in Schwengen, and we had a veto on anything important.
No reason either why a competent British person (we have a few, surprisingly) couldn't be head of the ECB, ECJ, ECHR etc.
I don't know. I can't decide between self-serving manipulative politicians or a very gullible and easily led populace.
Both probably.
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Definitely both, chambo.
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With a healthy dollop of ignorance all round.
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So it looks like the vote is going to be delayed.
Madness, absolute fvcking madness.
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Yaaaaaay
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10 says no, cabinet says yes?
confusing
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What do they hope to achieve by delaying it ? They do know time is against them . When the EU say that is the best and final offer , I believe them absolutely.
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In fairness the briefing seems to be all over the place again now but it looks like the door is being opened for a delay while she begs the EU to throw her a big enough bone to save her.
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while she begs the EU to throw her a big enough bone to save her.
Along the lines of "give me what I want or you may be dealing with Boris next week"
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They have just thrown her a bone big enough to save her. The CJEU has, anyway. It's called "unilateral revocation".
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Yay fvck democracy! That'll go down well.
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Along the lines of "give me what I want or you may be dealing with Boris next week"
Is that supposed to be a threat?
I'm sure they would love to have the opportunity to tell Boris to go fook himself.
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