Boris bookies' favourite already

No, not the most accurate barometer, and probably a PR stunt by Ladbrokes. But the prospect of this is really playing havoc with my stomach today. 

 

Watch him revert to avuncular bumblefuck mode and everyone will get all hair ruffly. 

not sure why everyone is so worried, he's a lot more Europhile than people realise.

also, like myself, he's a pro-immigration old-school libertarian 

I will be surprised if he doesn't concoct another bizarre cock and bull story to have himself regrettably ruled out of the running, tbh.

You don't understand tory leadership rules, do you Anna

favourite usually doesnt win Con leadership contests.

he also did say he did not want a no deal brexit. Although hey Boris speaks with forked tongue and not sure what other options are open to a Brexiteer.

The only thing Boris is pro is himself - he dosen't give a fvck about the UK or Europe.   He will do whatever gets him to and keeps him in power - he is an incompetent lazy moral vacuum which he hides behind public school/Oxbridge upper middle class bluster and superficial charm.   Despite the recent hefty competition he would be the worse prime minister this country has ever had.

Guy - You could make a similar criticism of Call me Dave. Would you rather a charlatan like Boris, or an idealogue like Jez? I'd rather take my chances with a Charalatan who isnt on a moral crusade

I understand that three years ago he was full of bravado about being the next Tory leader and then as soon as the referendum result came through he stayed in his house for about a week and then there was some weird plot involving him and Michael Gove which meant that he was - terribly sadly - unable to run for leader and show us all how Brexit is done.

he wasnt unable Anna, he just said that, because Gove, who had said he wouldnt stand, did, and he didnt fancy his chances.

but yes it was pure hokum and 100% Boris for Boris and screw everyone else.

Yeah, it was a shit excuse from the start. Not sure why anyone believed it, but then apparently millions of people will believe anything if Boris says it's true. Despite the fact that he has form for being a pathological liar.

Fuck's sake.

I think with Boris what you see is what you get - wiff-waffy, floppy-haired, adultering blatherer who's out for himself but he knows it, we know it, and he knows and accepts we know it.

Gove is altogether a more sinister prospect.

And an utter, utter snidey khunt way off the scale compared to Boris.

If it has to be a Brexiter (and it does) Gove is the best PM candidate by a country mile of those in the race 

listening on the radio this morning, someone recounted how from a young age Boris’ ambition in life was to be “ world king”.

i vividly remember Boris dropping out of the leadership contest. I was at a posh lunch, it was the day he was expected to confirm his bid and my phone pinged with the breaking news, which i glanced at quickly and misread, thinking he had confirmed his bid not withdrawn. Exact same reaction as rest of the diners at the posh lunch, first a small murmur then a noisy clamour as everyone realised at the same time he was out not in.

EU saying there will be no more negotiation whatsoever , despite whoever is the new Tory leader. Yet I bet Bo Jo et al will think they can start negotiations again in relation to the WA. Are the runners and riders deluded.

I cannot think that anyone with long term PM ambitions will want the job, just be moreof the same surely.

The view that Boris/similar can get more concessions from the EU is the main reason that Mays WAB was never going to pass at the 4th attempt. 

do people in all seriousness still think that being a “libertarian” is a viable ideological position? let alone outwardly admit to it and relieve themselves of all credibility

Given that we live in society where liberty (free speech, gay marriage, abortion, relatively low taxation, etc) are freedoms/benefits we value, what is it about this ideology that you feel unviable?

don’t pretend you don’t know the difference between being in favour of liberty and self-identifying as a “libertarian”

or if you really don’t know what the usurped term means, then lol @ u, your credibility has evaporated

ahh, you're one of those people that is redefining words to suit their own agenda.

Racism = power plus prejudice, right?

er I’m not the one redefining the word

modern “libertarians” are the ones who have usurped it, as I quite clearly specified above

all i read was vague wibbling. but let's give it a rest, shall we, you're debasing yourself

And Johnson is already spouting crap, he thinks he’s world king already

he knows there is this thing called Parliament he has to get to agree with him, right?

The view that Boris/similar can get more concessions from the EU is the main reason that Mays WAB was never going to pass at the 4th attempt.

Well then I am looking forward to seeing Boris/similar fail just as badly. They need a big ol' dose of reality.

*gets popcorn*

Surely anyone with any sense wants to be the leader after the next one, rather than having to pick up the turd encrusted chalice that is brexit. 

It's like applying to be director of Chernobyl the day after it went boom

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all i read was vague wibbling. but let's give it a rest, shall we, you're debasing yourself

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u r the one who holds himself out as a “libertarian” without seeming to know what that means

you’d think so shatner’s, but all of these people:

1 just want their name in the history books as having been PM

2 like the sound of the wealth that can be generated after being PM

3 have sufficient god complex to believe they can do it no matter the challenge

and in that priority order

their careers are brief, they might well never get a chance to be PM again - particularly given how the hard brexters have done their best to guarantee that Corbyn will win the next GE

he knows there is this thing called Parliament he has to get to agree with him, right?

Only if he wants a deal.  If he is genuinely happy with no deal then all he has to do is work out how to frustrate Parliament.

He will take over just before Summer Recess.  The lazy fvckers start back up again in September.  Piss around for a couple of weeks offering up the WAB - Backstop to the EU.  Then when everyone is just beginning to gear up to try to force him into a Brexit extension - put up a no confidence motion in the house and give Labour a chance to have a GE.

Chance are they go for it - at which point there is no Parliament to force through an extension and we hard Brexit by default. 

how does that work? I understand how we could crash out and parliament couldn't do much about it (unless they took control of the legislative agenda again) but how does the brexiteer pm get the legislation that is necessary to keep the country functioning after no deal through parliament ?

 

It would be a bit of a clusterfuck.

Although all the MPs disappear the government actually remains in place.  Query at that point what the separation is between the executive and parliament?  e.g. could you use it as a non-reversible option whereby the EU was made to really face down the blunt options between a WAB without a backstop and hard Brexit? 

The PM wouldn't be able to pass new legislation but arguably they'd have constitutional power to approve an Art 50 extension if the EU came back with an offer they liked?

Anyone with any real idea on the emergency powers retained by the government?  Presumably there are some e.g. in the event of war?

And we do have a fundamentally flexible court system so even if the legislation hasn't been dealt with properly my expectation is that we'd end up with sensible decisions in most areas to keep things running as if there were.

The systems we do have and which do broadly work give all of us a large measure of personal liberty and choice with broad control over our own lives.  Almost nobody in past centuries had as much freedom as everybody has today.  

Libertarians are idiotic ideologues who would twist, break and pervert  our current systems to achieve entirely notional increases in theoretical liberty. 

Boris is massively anti Europe and has been since he was a journo with the telegraph.  He used to make up all sorts of silly stories and every now and again one would get traction. Anyone thinking he is secretly pro Europe will get a nasty shock.

i think the MPs are ahead of us here, they KNOW boris will go no deal because the numbers say so.

as for how can a no deal PM frustrate the Commons? They can baricade the door so to speak and no deal sail thru on default. Although whether boris would go to those lengths...he does want to survive, that is his main issue..I dont think ( hope) he wouldnt.

yet another example of how our brexit impasse is because populace wants out whereas elected representatives want in.

I wonder whether the fellow with the billboard you can all see on your way in to Waterloo, currently saying ' Brexit is B**l**cks" would let the space be used for a picture of Nazanin Zhagari-Radcliffe

 

Still in prison in Iran.

I am saying that the Foreign Secretary, sent to Iran to carry out his government's policy of trying to obtain her release

 - somehow did not know that it was harmful to her, in Iran, to say she was a journalist - although he is himself a journalist; 

 - somehow did not know that the line consistently being held by his government, her family and her employer was that she wasn't a journalist - although he was the Foreign Secretary

 - by 'somehow', I mean by being too lazy and arrogant to read his brief, and too lacking in ordinary information to be able to handle himself without it.

"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!"

- Oliver Cromwell

20 April 1653, London, England

Is that the Darius thing?  In fairness boris was just humouring a drunk friend but I agree it shouldn’t be acceptable.

It just seems to be happening doesn’t it? Sewn up already. I cannot believe that this fucking organ bank is going to be PM. 

He has 175+ MPs so unless someone finds some major dirt pronto, he's through to the final two.

No one seems to deny that Nazanin Zhagari-Radcliffe is an Iranian citizen and was providing support for training journalists in Iran.