Bercow confirms he will not allow Johnson to porogue parliament

to force through no deal brexit, so does that change the likely hood of a no deal brexit

Not unless pro-deal/Remain MPs get their act together and can form a govt that can implement an article 50 extension and implement a GE and Q1 leave/remain Q2 if leave has a majority,TMPM deal or no deal referendum at the same time. 

It's over, Brexiters; find a new unicorn.

Hammond is like THIS close to resigning the whip and coming out as a Remainer. That'd be the majority gone.

Still needs a VONC to pass. Then still have the issue with when Bojo chooses to have the election.

Hammond's protestations change nothing. He was always a remainer and sought to block no deal preparations during his time in office.

Perhaps he didn’t want to spend 6b in “a less than one in a million chance”?

Either hammonds stance was perfectly sensible and spending all this money on no deal planning is criminally wasteful or Johnson is a lying turd - you can’t have it both ways 

You're buying the party line of No.10's staff of absolute fruitcakes, then?

If there is.a VoNC, the timing of the election will not be Johnson's choice. If need be, Parliament can vote to specify a date.

legal alien is of course wildly wrong, as usual

nc-ing johnson is just one route, and even then that’s just the first step on that one route - afterwards a different mp might be able to form a maj, in which case no election, or even if an election were called, there would still be a battle over whether the brexit decision had to be paused

even without a vonc, parl could for example vote to request an extension

so there are actually multiple routes that parl could take

the question is not whether no deal can be prevented; it undoubtedly can, with prevention being possible right up until the last minute

the question is whether there is enough cross-party unity in parl to make it happen

This is what Brexitfreaks don't get. Parliament can do literally anything it likes.

Johnson prorogues it - even if he gets the Queen's help, which she won't give - Parliament can ignore it. Parliament can overrule anything he does. Parliament can give him instructions by vote, and if it does he is legally bound by them. If he refuses to follow them, Parliament can delegate performance of those instructions to another officer (e.g. it could authorise Bercow as Speaker to request an extension on behalf of the UK government).

Parliament can no-confidence Johnson, or just plain sack him, and Parliament can mandate whatever date it likes for a General Election, or can vote on some other way of choosing a new government. Parliament can do whatever the fuck it likes, and Johnson and all aboard his merry kamikaze pirate ship have to suck it the fuck up.

I genuinely think we'll have a civil war if we don't Brexit on 31/10.

No doubt the Brexit Army is readying its troops as we speak. Pikes, chain mail, war horses, COPD cannisters...

"Parliament can do literally anything it likes."

 

HEH

Did you snooze though all your Constitutional law stuff at law school you huge hmong? 

I am delighted to say that dux, as ever, is not right.

Unless he means ‘civil war’ in a metaphorical sense.

Ma who thinks Parliament can be prorogued against its will purports to teach others constitutional law lessons!

Dux, why can't you get it into your thick head that the greatest risk of civil war comes if we crash out with no deal? 

Well done anyway, Brexiturds. You've wrecked the country you claim to love. 

"the greatest risk of civil war comes if we crash out with no deal?"

heh, 100% incorrect. Well done. 

 

older brexiteers have some kind of weird regret / self loathing that they have never fought in a war, and still think a bout of national service / a jolly good dust up would sort everything out

younger brexiteers like LA have much in common with gun nuts and incels - they just want to shit on other people's enjoyment of things 

when all this is over I hope a lot of money is poured into mental health services, it is sorely needed 

Srsly you're at it now? Civil war!

stop creaming your M&S pants at the thought of people dying. 

as if the Brexitards - any of them at all - would be any good in a fight. Just LOL.

The government is boasting about no -deal preparations but they are not keen on setting out the details - and one can see why -  they are genuinely shocking.

They include a fund to buy up and destroy livestock for which there is no longer a market, they include plans for emergency airlifting of food and medicine.

Preparing for no deal is preparing for the greatest  national emergency since the second world war - only this time one we are creating through choice.

Yes there may be a large minority (but still a minority) in this country who say bring it on, but that is easy to say.  When reality bites the traitors currently in government will never be forgiven, not by remainers or brexiteers.

 

 

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I genuinely think we'll have a civil war if we don't Brexit on 31/10.

proper #projectfear pant wetting going on here

it’s the default, but only a handful care about it that much

when all this is over I hope a lot of money is poured into mental health services, it is sorely needed 

So brexiters and thick, racist, old and now mentally ill?

Although one thing they are not,  which some remainers are, is massively in denial.

"Yes there may be a large minority (but still a minority) in this country who say bring it on, but that is easy to say."

imagine the reaction of Barbara and Brian from Droitwich when they can't get any Granny Smiths for a week 

the amount the gov has dedicated to no deal prep less than c.£4bn (as the figure is for all prep, not just no deal) with a further £2bn announced recently specifically for no deal

that’s peanuts

by def, that means this gov is not taking no deal seriously

I think mental health services have been massively underfunded in this country for decades, and there are a lot of people misdirecting their fears and problems at brexit yes 

you've been very predictable in your response (including that mental illness is a stigma) but I am actually right about this 

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Although one thing they are not,  which some remainers are, is massively in denial.

wot r remainers in denial about?

heh, 100% incorrect. Well done. 

Err, just saying that doesn't make it true.

These are people who called the police when KFC ran out of chicken. 

"Although one thing they are not,  which some remainers are, is massively in denial."

You are kidding right?   Brexiteers have been in denial about many many things since day 1.  Denial about not being able to have our cake and eat it, denial about our bargaining position, denial about the disaster of no deal, denial about are ability to negotiate with third countries as effectively as we could as part of the EU, denial about the impact of stopping immigration from the EU, denial about the irrelevance of the EU to non EU immigration; denial about Britain's diminished power and status as mid-sized country outside the EU, denial about the extent the US and others will exploit a desperate UK.  The list goes on and on and on. 

A. Brexiteritis is only a stigma if you thing Brexiting is the bad thing. It's a compliment to 50% of the population.

B. Yes it is predictable to call you out on attempting to create an entirely new mental illness and then diagnose it based on an entirely legitimate political view of what is the correct level of subsidiarity and sovereignty.

C. To turn the moral argument back on you, why are you being so flippant about mental illness?

"Brexiteritis is only a stigma if you thing Brexiting is the bad thing. It's a compliment to 50% of the population"

40% and falling

Lol as if Brexiturds understand the first thing about sovereignty. 

Or have even heard of the word "subsidiarity". It has six syllables.

Count 'em.

Six. 

Re the "in denial" question, denial that the Uk is leaving the EU.

As a guide, the Kubler-Ross model will help you; the stages you will experience will be denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

I wonder if it lost on the masses, that our only chance to actually get a deal with the EU is if the EU are absolutely convinced that we are fully prepared and willing to Brexit with no deal. Boris is lining this up perfectly. Can people not see this?

I'm not flippant about mental illness, nor did I attempt to identify and diagnose an entirely new one. 

Otherwise that was a great comment bud 👊🏻

Oh shit a perfectly normal and Lady P are tag teaming me -hang on a minute do either of you actually live in the Uk?

If Brexit is making anyone Mental its the crazed Remainders 

Freaking out, helpless shouting the same thing over and over. 

 

Nice one big wibble! How about you put down the freaky Brexit pills and get on the treadmills?

I live in the UK at present but very shortly I won't any more.

"I wonder if it lost on the masses, that our only chance to actually get a deal with the EU is if the EU are absolutely convinced that we are fully prepared and willing to Brexit with no deal. Boris is lining this up perfectly. Can people not see this?"

We have a deal with the EU, one negotiated on behalf of 27 separate countries.   If you think every one of those countries is going to be persuaded to change its redlines by 31 October just because we are holding a gun to our own head and threatening them with the splatter you are utterly deluded.   I accept Ireland may get cold feet at a no deal, but Berlin will stuff them with gold to compensate.

We have a deal with the EU, one negotiated on behalf of 27 separate countries

A deal which does not take us out of the EU. I.e. not a deal.

I don't think you understand the deal IG, it gets us out of the EU, regulatory alignment is only required until we can solve the irish border issue - something Brexiteers have repeatedly informed us will not be a problem with the wizard technology we have.

I do understand the deal. Probably better than you. If the border issue is not resolved, in theory we could be stuck in the EU forever. Obviously the border issue can only be resolved with EU consent.

If the border issue is not resolved we will likely re-open the civil war in Northern Ireland so were it not for the fact that we were governed by irresponsible traitors knowingly acting against the Union's best interests it should be just as important to us, as it is to the EU - massively trumping the regulation issue.

See my previous post. That really explains exactly why May's deal did not deliver Brexit and why it ultimately did not get through Parliament

 

I wonder if it lost on the masses, that our only chance to actually get a deal with the EU is if the EU are absolutely convinced that we are fully prepared and willing to Brexit with no deal. Boris is lining this up perfectly. Can people not see this?

I can't believe that someone who is apparently employed in a professional job is thick enough not to realise why this is an utterly ineffective threat.

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A. Brexiteritis is only a stigma if you thing Brexiting is the bad thing. It's a compliment to 50% of the population.

😂 brexiter doesn’t understand maths and self-pwns non-shocka 

only c.27% of the uk population in 2016 voted for brexit 

suggest u go back to skool dawn handbags

Oh look who it is. Wonder what took you so long. Ready at the fire with your soundbites?

Please tell me about the gun to our heads analogy. That's my favourite!

Strongly recommend leaving the UK until this whole thing blows over.

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We have a deal with the EU, one negotiated on behalf of 27 separate countries

A deal which does not take us out of the EU.

wot r u on about

we cease to be a member, so it’s definitely leaving the eu. that’s what no longer being a member means

Do you think Norway is a member of the EU Italian Guy?

mega 😂😂😂 at the eu being more likely to give us a deal if we r serious about no deal

the problem with this entire premise is fundamental to the brexter ideology

they see the current deal as a “bad deal” and yet do not actually have an understanding of what a “good deal” is (this is deliberate amongst the controlling brexters) 

the reason for that is because there is no such thing as a bad deal. u either have a deal which promotes trade or u don’t. some will have greater harmonisation if reg.s (and consequent loss of sovereignty) and some won’t, some will be more heavily in favour of one side than the other based on bargaining position and some will be balanced

may’s (and now johnson’s) red lines have dictated the limits of the deal

the eu only doesn’t want no deal because it will cause economic and some societal disruption, they know full well that after no deal we will have to come back to them asking for a trade deal but in a much weaker position to negotiate the balance, so if anything the eu would improve its relative position. but it doesn’t want the bother of the economic consequences of no deal first if it can avoid it

brexters will bluster because they’re too proud to admit this, but it’s fact and it is known 

We'll strike up a deal with the US and send the EU to hell. Trump has our best interests at heart. He's a good, wise, and fair man. The EU have far more to lose. I.e. the whole of the EU is at risk of falling apart. That's how you flip the equation. Who has more to lose? They do and they know it.

This is very much like a game of chicken. The first to pull away loses. Brace yourself m8s.

The EU have far more to lose. I.e. the whole of the EU is at risk of falling apart

 

Oh dear, giving last minute concessions to the UK will mean the EU is more likely to fall apart - both because it will suggest a soft touch to other potential leavers and will lead to huge divisions internally (France would go ape).

The only thing that will fall apart with no deal is the UK - and quickly.

The only thing that will fall apart with no deal is the UK - and quickly.

Is your name Jeremiah ?

I wonder if it lost on the masses, that our only chance to actually get a deal with the EU is if the EU are absolutely convinced that we are fully prepared and willing to Brexit with no deal. Boris is lining this up perfectly. Can people not see this?

God, this is fvking hilarious. 

We'll strike up a deal with the US and send the EU to hell. Trump has our best interests at heart. He's a good, wise, and fair man. 

and this is beyond parody.  IG is obviously a pure remainer and spends all his time of these threads trolling, QED. 

Still, the bright side is that all these alt-right khunts will be laughing on the other side of their faces when post brexit Britain is such a disaster the electorate turn to Corbyn to bring in socialism unfettered by anti-socialist EU rules.   Taxed 'til their pips squeak.

We'll strike up a deal with the US and send the EU to hell. Trump has our best interests at heart. He's a good, wise, and fair man. The EU have far more to lose. I.e. the whole of the EU is at risk of falling apart. That's how you flip the equation. Who has more to lose? They do and they know it.

OK, I no longer believe you are real.

You've played a very good, very long game IG, but you are nothing but a troll. Shame you were a bit obvious there, you could have kept it going indefinitely.

But that would mean taking you seriously Lady. And that wouldn't be being fair to myself.

But "yourself" is just an internet persona, not a real person.

To the extent I'm a human typing out my posts I think you can say I'm a real person. Posting serious views on here is often met with rude, disrespectful vile dribble by posters who are bitter about who knows what in their real lives. This is not a place for level headed civilised reasonable debate. It's a place for brawl. It's always been that way.

Shall I continue posting my real views for you to be disrespectful and khuntish about? Unable to open your mind to see a different point of view, while not necessarily agreeing with it? Nah. Tried it. Wasn't fun.

We'll strike up a deal with the US and send the EU to hell. Trump has our best interests at heart. He's a good, wise, and fair man. The EU have far more to lose. I.e. the whole of the EU is at risk of falling apart. That's how you flip the equation. Who has more to lose? They do and they know it.

This ^^ is not "posting serious views". This is pure trolling.

Do you think with that massive brain of yours you could have perhaps worked out that where I made reference to a serious post, there was a slim chance that I was not referring to that particular one which most clearly anything but serious?

Leaving aside the fact that anyone who describes Trump as a good, wise and fair man, cannot in any circumstances be taken seriously, Trump (or whoever is President at the time) is not the relevant person to focus on when it comes to "striking" trade deals.

It is Congress which has exclusive power over international trade. The Irish-American caucus (as well as Pelosi) has stated its position on the likelihood of such a trade deal in circumstances where the Brits have imposed a hard border in Ireland. 

Do you think with that massive brain of yours you could have perhaps worked out that where I made reference to a serious post, there was a slim chance that I was not referring to that particular one which most clearly anything but serious?

The problem is, IG, your "serious" posts are only marginally less stupid than that one. It's not as if there's such a marked difference between IG being a twat and IG not being a twat that everyone should immediately be able to go "Aha! He's clearly joking!"

You just repeat soundbite after soundbite. Not a single one of the posts I've read of yours have given me any indication that you have a single thought that is your own.

You have a weird idea of what a "bright side" is.

No, it is just something that would make me smile amongst the general devastation no deal will wreak.   Johnson and chums thinks their wealth will insulate them from the bad times - not if Corbyn gets his way.  That would be a small consolation for me.

I don't think the word "soundbite" means what you think it means.