To be English

Is to win the lottery of life

Can there be a single person in the country that still believes this?

It was true before the "progressives" took hold of the Establishment. They don't care about England. I doubt they even care about Britain that much.

I think if I could pick any other nationality I would go for Singaporean or Swiss because they get to go to most places visa free. 

Better than, say, Bangladesh. 

What I don't understand is why we don't want to share our wonderful country with everyone who wants to come here for a better life. 

The Guardian hates England as much as the BBC would like to if it could write its own charter. 

The self-loathing of the English is really odd. Coastal elites in the USA don't even despise their own country to the same degree the average London lefty does. Funnily enough, the London lefties never seem to move abroad in their working lives, though they may retire in Southern France. 

I've been dreaming of a time when
To be English is not to be baneful
To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful, racist or partial

Those lyrics have aged poorly in the light of Morrisey’s intervening years

Morrisey is not racist, he just doesn't go along with the hand-wringing prevalent in the arts.

I think supporting For Britain is a bit more than not ‘going along with the hand-wringing prevalent in the arts.‘
 

It’s more like not going along with the hand-wringing prevalent in UKIP

Didn’t Morrisey call the Chinese people a “sub-species”. I would say that is close to the very definition of racism.

Didn’t Morrisey call the Chinese people a “sub-species”. 

AND?

Not sure about For Britain, but the Chinese remark was to do with animal welfare. Bryan Adams said something similar recently.

England is looking pretty lush out of my window this afternoon.

 No - that’s the point it isn’t in this case - if you call a race or nation of people a “sub species” you are a racist no ifs no buts

Not sure about For Britain, but the Chinese remark was to do with animal welfare. Bryan Adams said something similar recently.
 

He can’t be racist - he’s vegan.

He believes passionately we should extend respect and love and compassion to all living things*
 

 

* conditions apply

If England is so fucking shit how come half of the world seem to be trying to get here?

 

I think I am lucky to have been born here compared, for example, to a dirt poor village in Mali or in a war zone like Syria or any number of other places where life would have been much more of a struggle. 

No - that’s the point it isn’t in this case - if you call a race or nation of people a “sub species” you are a racist no ifs no buts

Does this apply if I call Americans thick? I mean, the non-racist left do this all the time.

Scotland is a borderline totalitarian state run by socialists.  

The economies of southern Europe (which weren't great anyway) are fucked x 1 million with vuvu.

The middle-east and most of Africa is shit if you happen to be female.  Plus your chances of getting blown up / murdered / kidnapped are significantly higher than in most other parts of the world.  

There is zero culture in the US and 70% of the people are thick as fuck.  

Central and half of south america are run by criminal gangs.

Australia is nice save as to the things that slither, crawl and bite.  Plus it is, globally speaking, in the middle of nowhere - you have to spend 7 hours on a plane to get to anywhere else of note.

New Zealand is pretty but it is also like going back in time 25 years.

The far-east is no-go for the next few years and may never fully recover.  

So that leaves parts of europe and Canada.  

"If England is so fucking shit how come half of the world seem to be trying to get here"

 

 

Because a lot of places are worse and they speak our language

‘Does this apply if I call Americans thick? I mean, the non-racist left do this all the time.‘
 

yeah, bloody leftists!

‘There is zero culture in the US and 70% of the people are thick as fuck.’

"New Zealand is pretty but it is also like going back in time 25 years".

Things were a damn sight better 25 years ago than they are now.

I dont think most of you are understanding the quote - Rhodes did not mean on balance it is better to be English than many other countries he meant to be English was the best of fortunes.

I am a criminal law hack so my overseas opportunities are limited.

If I could get a job as crown counsel (crime) in some former colony or overseas territory with megahours of sunshine I would think about it.  

But I also know I would be bored in about 6 months.  

If not the jackpot, its at least. 5+Thunderball payout. Which I would take evey day of the week.

 

I am proud that there are thousands of Nigerians and Somalis in northern France, trying to get into Britain, but of all the Nigerians and Somalis we have here none are trying to go the other way.

Voting with their feet! Yay!

Its pretty good, being born and raised here. Though I'd probably be equally at home in North America or Canada.

What I find bemusing on this board are the likes of Judy and 3-Ducks constantly harking back to some kind of 1920s/1930s England.

It's sad how acceptable it's become to be anti English.  I like England, I like the English, I'm happy with my lot

But to add another mancuian musician saying to the threa - it's not where you're born it's where you're at, ultimately

can't think of a better place to live frankly, if I could I would be there...

I'm not English.  I'm Scottish.  I like some English people in the same way I like some French and Spanish people.  Countries generally consist of the good people, the mehs and the [email protected]  England is no different in that respect.

Bits of England are lovely.  Bits are really grim and far grimmer imho than anywhere up here. Bits of the North and West Midlands in particular.  They have been f*cked over and neglected for decades.

I think there is very definitely an odd nationalist / self-identity crisis going on at the minute in England.  Fintan O'Toole has written about it.  We're not having this - we know we are a distinctly average bunch with many faults in a rain-sodden windswept part of the world but there are far worse places to live.

I do get concerned about the existence and normalisation of people like Farage, Tommy Robinson etc.  It makes me sad because I feel the England that was part of my life growing up has gone forever and been replaced with something I don't fully understand.

It's hard to believe that England has become one of the most obnoxious and hateful places in the world. 

We are all susceptible to bigotry and jingoism, but for the most part it is crowded out by normal people who just want to get on with life.

What happened? I am saddened.

It's hard to believe that England has become one of the most obnoxious and hateful places in the world. 
 

It is hard to believe this.

It's not one of the most obnoxious and hateful places in the world.  It's just gone from largely having its shit together to being mildly dysfunctional.

Chimp I alway knew it was there, but then we would see Croatian or Spanish football fans throwing bananas and being cnuts. That would put my mind at ease that, in the league table of arseholes, we were still ok.

The evidence of the last few years has driven me to despair. I love my country but I hate what we are becoming. 

I never considered that we would suck the most at dealing with a virus, but here we are, in the relegation zone and acting like twats.

Sulk. 

London at least is one of the most tolerant places on the planet. unless you are  a remoaner

A lot of the so called bigotry is really just old skool anticlericalism or antiintellectualism.

English people dont like being told what to think or say and as such many have reacted against political correctness and the liberal world view. And some charlatans have realised they can use this.

This is a real pity, because fundamentally the English have been - and tbh probably remain - far more tolerant and liberal than most other peoples.

Culturally we are unfortunately a bit too close to the US - and so we have, to some extent unnecessarily in my view, joined in with their culture wars. We forget they had segregation within living memory and continue to have a huge racial divide and a massive gun problem due to their entrenched constitution. Theres a vast difference between some daft old lady knitting golliwogs for the village fete, oblivious to how insensitive and innappropriate they are, and American red necks joining the Klu klu klan because they genuinely hanker after lynching a black person.

I think that political correctness has probably been one of the greatest forces for good in human history,  it its been so effective so quickly, it is no great surprise really that some people havent properly kept up.

“It's hard to believe that England has become one of the most obnoxious and hateful places in the world.”

It hasn’t.  Yours having lived and worked around the world.

 

That would put my mind at ease that, in the league table of arseholes, we were still ok.
 

I think this is still true.

basically all our ex-colonies are frightfully racist places, because we sent our worst out there

so it’s only natural really that any sane englishman would be embarrassed by these uncouth emigrants. it’s not some handwringing exercise in regretting the empire, it’s looking at these cousins of ours and tutting.

and recently they have been returning to the motherland bringing their medieval opinions with them, causing all sorts of unnecessary bother like brexit and generally ruining our standing in the world. just a few decades after we cut them loose

Not sure you (younger) guys really appreciate how the rise in English nationalism is a sea change in UK politics and sensibilities.  I don't blame the English one bit TBH.  I came to London (not England if that makes sense) over 30 years ago and have loved it since the day I arrived but I worry about where this is all heading - not so much for me as I am old enough to get by but my kids (and to be fair the younger people on this site) God only knows.       

I do think that in general attitudes wrt liberalism have altered in the West since the fall of the Berlin Wall. But I don’t think the English have become relatively more intolerant than anyone else, Brexit or no. I think it is in fact a particular kind of English exceptionalism to say “look how much worse we are than the others!”

Basically all over Europe and indeed the world illiberal politics have come to the fore. We will live to see the end of American unipolarity. Obviously China has little interest in political liberalism.

Trouble is, there are two ends to the spectrum  of people that love England :

- those that love the first verse of “I vow to thee, my country”, wave flags at the Last Night Of The Proms, think Jerusalem is about England’s green and pleasant land, revere Churchill to the point of fetish, have an essentially backward-looking vision of England’s greatness that takes in schoolboy and schoolgirl Shakespeare, Empire and WWII - the sentimental patriots 

- those that love the second verse of “I vow to thee, my country”, think The Last Night of the Proms is a bit naff but the music is enjoyable, think that Jerusalem is about the gap between the dark satanic mills and a green and pleasant land and want to build that new Jerusalem, respect and admire Churchill for his achievements in spite of his (many) flaws but revere alternative heroes and leaders, have a forward-looking vision of what this country could be that takes inspiration from Newton, Jenner, Locke, Wilberforce - the progressive patriots

The Tommy Robinson, football hooligan, islamophobic cretins aren’t patriots of either persuasion, they’re ethnonationalist khunts.