Are you over the trauma of the

stupid and unnecessary lockdown yet?

I? No.  I still feel absolutely furious and upset by it all. 

I'm fine with it. It was inconvenient but normalised WFH, so probably a net positive for me overall tbh

Part of me misses lockdown. Life was much simpler. Of course part of me is really glad it's over as well.

I think you'd have to start in a very feeble mental state to still be traumatised by being asked to hang out at home for a bit so fewer people snuff it. 

I think you are unusual Judy, most people I know whether they were in favour or opposed appear to have largely erased it from their thoughts and memories.  It certainly all seems a bit dream like to me now.

The first lockdown in spring 2020 I accept as probably necessary and understandable given the lack of information available and, possibly, the virulence of variants at the time. The lockdown from November 2020 through May 2021 was completely unnecessary and unjustifiable even at the time when looking at the pros and cons. Most of the petty rules were completely pointless and had zero scientific basis. The whole thing confirmed to me that most people are relatively stupid and don't reason things out for themselves. 

 

most people I know whether they were in favour or opposed appear to have largely erased it from their thoughts and memories.  It certainly all seems a bit dream like to me now.

Indeed. I forgot where I read it but someone compared it to a weird cheese dream. Which sounds pretty apt. 

Remember how people on here adamantly argued that it would never end and people would be irreversibly scarred by it and would be afraid to ever come within 2 metres of one another again? heh

I am scarred but in a different way.

I am genuinely not over the anger and the stress and also the fact that I had no income for a 9 months.

I am furious at all the smuggos.

Without Rob's input on this thread I wouldn't have been able to tell you when the first one ended or when the second one even was.  In some ways I think it was all last year then I remember it was actually two years ago. Similar to Shatner it saved me from having a battle with work to be allowed to work from home for a day or two every week and gave me the freedom to basically come and go as I please.

I feel stressed and anxious whenever my mind turns back to it. I understood the first lockdown but the subsequent lockdowns/mindless rules finished me off.  I didn’t see my parents for 2.5 years (abroad) l, dealt with various bereavements and my work life was utterly shite as boundaries disappeared. It had a bad impact on my marriage as we were both stressed, trying to look after toddlers blah blah (better now) In hindsight, I think it’s the sense of being “locked in” that makes me most stressed.
 

Now I’m confronting the total implosion of my economic future between insane taxes, mental health crisis in kids, crazy housing prices, 1970s economics and London being turned into some provincial shithole to prop up the other provincial fish and chips shitholes.  

Still, grandparents spent their 20s in the war watching their family and friends die in London or at the front so I probably need to apply some perspective from my sofa.

 

 

 

I had a strange dream when lockdown started. Everybody had to join a queue outside the Council offices. I think we were all supposed to two meters apart and we had to set up camp and wait indefinitely guarded by goons. I'd obviously been traumatised by my first post Lockdown trip to Tesco Express when we forget something on Ocado. I only went there once. Some lady eyeing at me suspiciously for walking too close to her like I had the plague. Baskets being checked for non-essential items. I never liked Tesco all that much anyway.  

I agree lockdown was unnecessary, and an intolerable invasion of liberty, and should not be repeated, ever. But yes I am pretty much over it tbh it was ages ago

No. I still feel a physical stress when I slip back into forgetting that masks are gone too. 

I think it will mark me for the rest of my life. It was an atrocity. 

Forgotten about it. I kind of enjoyed not having to go anywhere. Occasionally it was annoying but otherwise I was perfectly happy in DustyTowers. 

I became middle aged over lockdown. I may never find happiness and be doomed to live an utterly miserable and pointless existence. 

and I am not sure why anyone would laugh at the idea that it was scarring. It was and is scarring. Some people are still refusing to socialise because they remain terrified.

Another point - look at China today, the surveillance state etc and be grateful that we came to our senses. No health crisis justifies turning a state full 1984. 

Everybody becomes middle aged at some point, dont think you can b blame lockdown for that.   plenty of people found new jobs and started new relationships during lockdown 

so, that's definitely not true jc, you and your life are awesome and you have many adventures ahead. But the feeling of life moments being stolen is a trauma for sure.

I basically, for reasons of professional ethics, had to leave a job in February 2020 and then all the RCs went on furlough and there was a hiring freeze.  Did about 4 days of locuming in the August and then started a job in teh September.

I became middle aged over lockdown and may be doomed to live a perfectly pleasant existence doing little of great significance.

and I am not sure why anyone would laugh at the idea that it was scarring. It was and is scarring. Some people are still refusing to socialise because they remain terrified.
 

You can find some people who behave in any number of ways. For some of those people, if they have significant health conditions, it may be sensible for them to avoid socialising. But I wasn’t “laughing at the idea that it was scarring”, I was laughing at the idea that those such as yourself argued on here that “it would never end and people would be irreversibly scarred by it and would be afraid to ever come within 2 metres of one another again”. That was obviously absolute bollocks, at the time and even more so now.

Weirdo scaremongering that was just as mental as anything in the opposite direction and possibly more so

What did you do to keep yourself occupied in the 9 months, JC? I can see why it can be especially stifling if you are not working and cannot travel and do other fun stuff, not even hang out at a pub/bar or go work out in a gym.

chimp - why can't you admit children are currently dying because of lockdown when the doctors treating them say it openly?

The doctors treating them are not saying they are dying “because of lockdown”. They are saying that there’s been a resurgence of seasonal infections that are normally spread out. The overall incidence of streptococcal illness is actually not that different to previous years.
 

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As far as the severity of illness goes, there is actually some emerging evidence to suggest that covid infection has deleterious effects on the immune system. Might not be “just a bad cold” after all!

Any death of a child is tragic, and I do rather take offence that you suggested I feel like “oh lol they were only 7 nbd”

Judo, it did seem as though you found lockdown particular hard. Was your unemployment a result of covid? 

“Weirdo scaremongering that was just as mental as anything in the opposite direction and possibly more so”

The large number of people who actively fetishised lockdown and social distancing and wanted to mask up for ever ever were deffo the bigger weirdos, as only rank losers whose lives have suddenly been given meaning in sanctimony can be. But yeah the IT WILL NEVER END!!! crowd were utterfreaks too.

Could we stop talking to people who found an awful thing awful as though their perception was somehow skewiff rather than bang on?

"Oh maybe u were upset because of something besides the horrific life ruining laws and society being insane?"

Impacted lots of people very negatively,  especially those that lived alone, including me.  

I supported lockdown to prevent the health service being overwhelmed.  Ironically it was not overwhelmed during lockdown but is overwhelmed now.  The 24 hour waits for amulances and the huge queues outside hospitals, people dying due to lack of timely treatment are the very thing lockdown was supposed to avoid, they are now daily occurrences.

Nope. I worry about real issues. And even then don't feel anything like trauma. 

Life is tough

Be tougher 

 

Forgotten all about it

it was a bit of a mixed bag but I am glad that it finally broke the cult of presenteeism

The weird thing about it is how quickly it’s been memory-holed. Culturally seems like we prefer to remember wars and forget pandemics 

There are a number of recent unusual deaths of children being linked potentially to compromised immune systems from isolation.  Imprisonment, solitary confinement. with enforced unnecessary criminal sanctions is hardly a minor issue. 

A Ukrainian guy got on my bus earlier and slammed the window shut.

Was quite the metaphor.

He looked a right dick.

yes chimp, it was always notable even before covid that the devastating flu pandemic of the late 1910s is largely forgotten even though it killed more than died in WW1 combat.

There are a number of recent unusual deaths of children being linked potentially to compromised immune systems from isolation.
 

Or potentially, like I said above, from covid infection.

It’s definitely weird the way so many of us have expunged it from memory. So little happened to me on a personal level, that whole year-plus has just been erased. Ok if you are in your comfy fifties, not ok for younger.

I bumped into a friend last week I had kinda forgotten about, turns out she became and still is a vu fanny, has not been on a plane and still avoids busy places. She yearns to be able to get over it and return to normal but can not get rid of all her fears. Even though she has had the vu and recovered fine.

Lockdowns were awful and the impact  unequal - people on their own, people in care homes or abusive relationships, people in flats etc -  perhaps but not necessarily some of the most badly affected. For others the resulting WFH phenomenon has now changed their lives mainly for the best; the exceptions are those who like the office, who like meeting people, are starting new jobs etc.

As someone who wasn't badly immunosuppressed in March 2020 but became so a year later I'm still advised to semi-shield.  The government could release people from me living half lives by providing a Covid prophylactic like 32 other countries do  but Tories just don't give a fook.  So it's gone from one extreme to another with many people affected but affected by different aspects.

Furlough was a bit dull at times but buying a chainsaw kept me active and occupied for a while.  Definitely more fun than my colleague who decided to learn the ukulele.

ER do you have a rough number of people who are in your situation?  Are we talking hundreds or millions?

I am scarred but in a different way.

I am genuinely not over the anger and the stress and also the fact that I had no income for a 9 months.

I am furious at all the smuggos.

So what you're saying is that I'm Alright Jack types' lack of empathy is annoying?  That economic hardship is a bad thing (at least when it happens to you)?

Care to remind us who you're going to vote for at the next election, Judy?

I often wonder how many of the take to the streets; this is inhuman; i'm not wearing a mask brigade also believe that prisons are soft? I doubt any of those types are on here BTW

My takeaway from the lockdown (besides the subsequent versions seemed unnecessary), is that if this is what being holed up in the house is like-  imagine how awful a 3 year stretch in Wormwood Scrubs must be. I has access to Netflix, walks in the woods, takeaways and booze. It was still sh1t and I had my family for company.  

I’m still avoiding flying unless necessary. I did it a couple of times during the pandemic and it was such a faff it put me off for a while.

What is the issue with the prophylaxis, er? Do they think it doesn't work or has side effects or what? Just being cheap feels improbable after everything. 

Re prisons one of the atrocities ofc was closing inmates in their cells, without exception, for weeks on end. And fookface hancock says the alternative plan of release was "bonkers"?

No, I'm not over it.

We spaffed £400 billion on this nonsense and will probably be paying it off for the rest of our working lives.

 

no trauma so well over it;  tbh forced time at home meant I reconnected with my mrs in a really positive way (no furlough for her though, she worked right through). obvs ymmv but my experience of pals etc was that generally happy and positive people muddled  through whatever their circs and those inclined towards drama and unhappiness tended to wallow in that.

what is weird is what feels like 18 months or so of the recent past when everything was on hold and so I struggle to accurately remember when pre-pandemic stuff happened 

Yeah as was clear from the outset many of us will die sooner (and lose contemporaries and maybe even children sooner) because nobody would deliver brutal truths to the elderly

"No, I'm not over it.

We spaffed £400 billion on this nonsense and will probably be paying it off for the rest of our working lives."

At least it had a purpose, even if it transpires it was a bit misguided.  Brexit is going to cost 4% of our GDP per year - or about £100 billion a year and rising -  which makes £400 billion pale into insignificance.

tbf if we are going to deliver brutal medical truths then ‘some kids die, please deal’ should be high up the list 

‘I often wonder how many of the take to the streetsthis is inhumani'm not wearing a mask brigade also believe that prisons are soft? I doubt any of those types are on here BTW’

Oh there’s plenty 

We needed lockdown otherwise we'd never have known about Maidstone 

Or Barry's October lockdown 

All costs are acceptable for the absolute humiliation various people suffered 

I generally defend M Hancock against the worst accusations against him, but IMO the very worst  thing he did was dismiss the idea of releasing prisoners as “bonkers”, given the alternative of basically locking them down in solitary and the obvious fact that 90% of people in British jails shouldn’t be,

“deliver brutal truths to the elderly”

You should think yourself lucky that euthanasia will be tax deductible by the time you retire. Deliverooyoutoo

Doh barry. It’s not a threat to nearly all of us, we now know, thanks to medics. No thanks to grifting tories. FYI. Hth. 

we are agreed on that clergs

but people die, at all kinds of ages for all kinds of reasons, and we have this weird collective feeling that really everyone should be healthy and active into their 80s when it just isn’t going to happen.

 

The whole thing was to a large extent a power play by doctors and experts. Finally the hour where they could tell people what to do, under penalty of criminal law, came, and boy did they not hold back.

actually agree with that to some extent - in the case of some of the experts at least

Lockdown 1 for us was great.

Superb weather, all the kids back living with us either on furlough or Uni leave, BBQ’s in the warm evenings, we still laugh about the weekly challenges we all set each other,  great walks in the country with my best mate.

As above, a slower pace of life.

And 50% higher fees that year as we were so busy, but in a ‘useful’ way.

Coupled with virtually zero expenditure apart from essentials and takeaways.
 

 

I also really think that we all need to look at how the start was handled - not - by Johnson. Just accept you’ve got limited agency. These fvckers - politicians faod - have immense power. They fvcked up pretty much every decision left to them. They let loony ‘experts’ who weren’t medics or corporate players actually running something - have an absurd influence on them. It was a spineless abrogation of responsibility. And they’ve got away with it. And you thought the Iraq war was a crime? Do me a favour. This is our country that’s been systematically fvcked over by its own government. 

Obvs it’s groupthink gone wild. But if I had to single out one person whose dacha is secure (apart from our dux ofc) it’s Cameron. Thick, posh, vain. insecure. If ever there was a mark for Karla, it was him. 

@sails. It’s about 500,000 directly affected but add in their families or friends and it’s a lot more. Eg a kid with a transplant’s parents are likely to still be shielding or semi shielding cuz having had the trauma of a kid having to have a transplant they do nt want the kid to lose it.  Depends what drugs they are on.

No one was remotely hysterical in the anti LD side .

Everything we said was completely reasonable in the circumstances and if we hadn't been there saying it and then found more and more public support we would still be doing this nonsense today with Sage finding new variants and vaccines every week .

And no I havent forgotten and no I won't be voting in the next election for any of the scumbag liberty hating parties who supported it 

‘No one was remotely hysterical in the anti LD side’

well that’s just blatant revisionism. I don’t judge, some people clearly found it very difficult, but it’s just not true that some people didn’t absolutely lose their shit on here.

No harm done I suppose, it’s a largely abandoned message board.

What FF said. There were covid fannies on both sides, the difference is that the WASH YOIR SHOPPING!!!! mob were largely a little more self aware than the THIS IS THE END OF LIFE AS WE KNOW IT!!!! melts.

 I won't be voting in the next election for any of the scumbag liberty hating parties who supported it 
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lol 

incels gonna incel 

I didn't find it hard personally. It was unbelievable ideologically and philosophically. Revolting. And the idea that it was never going to last forever is bullshit. There was no logical end point to restrictions and many people believe they should still be in place. And it impoverished and killed huge numbers.

"Oh lol some people overreacted a tad" is toxic khvntery. 

It's incel not to vote now is it ....

Well im glad not to be the Chad "brainless tribal political zombie" come election time 

Remember last year when they tried and partially succeeded in ruining a second Xmas over omricon?? 

Or forgotten that too ...

Memories start in Feb 22 when the war with Eurasia began

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