What is the point of testing business skills without use of internet?
Would be a bit of a boring episode if they let them just Google stuff. I agree though, they should probably come up with a better format for that bit, but then how do you avoid endless scenes of them huddling round a smartphone?
yes obviously, you would tweak the tasks to better reflect real life, that is my point. Just bizarre to be testing ability to find stuff out without the internet. Like not allowing them to use a calculator
as a child of the 80s I remember being told by every maths teacher that the point of learning arithmetic was that you would not have a calculator in your pocket at all times through life - every maths teacher was wrong.
I watch out of habit of half a life time, but find my attention wandering now - the cast not even very entertaining this year - and very little thought goes into updating tasks- think I will finally call it a day
Re the Internet, you might as well ask what's the point of closed book exams? It's to make you use your brain ffs. Test your proper research skills, initiative, etc.
dux there must be ways of testing the skills you still actually need in business rather than the ones you no longer need - its like making them use yellow pages...
the point of closed book exams dux it to test what you have learnt. For most academic subjects you need foundation knowledge and need to prove you have it, you cannot be looking up everything from scratch every time.
Maybe they could have them come up with an e-commerce business - concept, web design, marketing etc. - instead of running round Brighton asking florists stuff.
Exactly. So they're there to test your skills, even though they represent a scenario you wouldn't encounter in real life. Same with this task. And it's only one task out of 16 or whatever.
they used to do a very basic task (usually in the first week I think) of buying a product as cheaply as possible and selling it for as much as possible - that was universal business task that still makes sense - think that has been dropped for some reason.
To be fair this is really a logistics and negotiation task to see how well they can plan out getting to a number of different locations in a set time and then buying things.
Did have a good laugh at them barely knowing what a 45 was, not able to read maps etc. Made me wonder what skills our generation lost. I can't think of any. If anything, our gen added skills. Perhaps we have reached a tipping point, and humanity is now declining into a technology dependant wheelchair?
They all stepped back from the map reading - I can’t read a map. Seriously? It’s not an OS map - it’s literally a paper version of what you see on google
They are all so unworldly and terrible and crap and it makes me cross that the producers have not modernised to present something more aligned with the world of 2023. The interviews are no more than bullying and name calling. The tasks encourage conflict. The pushy are rewarded ahead of the thoughtful.
one minute sugar says you can’t offend anyone by offering low and the next minute he criticises for it.
there are plenty of successful business people who don’t conduct themselves like sugar. I suspect sugar doesn’t actually do business like that irl
My mind is boggled by the amount of filler in the female candidates' faces. The only normal looking one buggered off because of a mental arithmetic arse-up. Expecting a lot of aesthetics business proposals when then time comes.
They were truglite?
Gr8 thread, happy to contribute. Do I need to have watched the show?
What is the point of testing business skills without use of internet? Seems balmy, like asking then to do stuff pretending they can’t read or write
I would have had no idea what a trug was. Criticising them for not seeing one when they clearly had no clue what they were looking for was just daft.
Would be a bit of a boring episode if they let them just Google stuff. I agree though, they should probably come up with a better format for that bit, but then how do you avoid endless scenes of them huddling round a smartphone?
yes obviously, you would tweak the tasks to better reflect real life, that is my point. Just bizarre to be testing ability to find stuff out without the internet. Like not allowing them to use a calculator
as a child of the 80s I remember being told by every maths teacher that the point of learning arithmetic was that you would not have a calculator in your pocket at all times through life - every maths teacher was wrong.
I started watching it but it is just the same old tired format as before, and turned off after 20 mins of Ep 1.
I watch out of habit of half a life time, but find my attention wandering now - the cast not even very entertaining this year - and very little thought goes into updating tasks- think I will finally call it a day
Heh and +1 for Wang.
Disappointed the post appears to have gone unremarked.
I was amazed people didn't know what a trug was.
Danii is the best.
Re the Internet, you might as well ask what's the point of closed book exams? It's to make you use your brain ffs. Test your proper research skills, initiative, etc.
😂😂 at marsehole hall admitting 2 have tried watching it assuming it would b different
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dux there must be ways of testing the skills you still actually need in business rather than the ones you no longer need - its like making them use yellow pages...
How do closed books test your research skills?
They don't. I didn't actually say that.
eh?
the point of closed book exams dux it to test what you have learnt. For most academic subjects you need foundation knowledge and need to prove you have it, you cannot be looking up everything from scratch every time.
What is a trug?
Without looking it up on the internet.
Maybe they could have them come up with an e-commerce business - concept, web design, marketing etc. - instead of running round Brighton asking florists stuff.
Exactly. So they're there to test your skills, even though they represent a scenario you wouldn't encounter in real life. Same with this task. And it's only one task out of 16 or whatever.
They do that on other episodes. They need a bit of variety.
a) a pewter vessel used by sailors?
b) a type of carpet?
they used to do a very basic task (usually in the first week I think) of buying a product as cheaply as possible and selling it for as much as possible - that was universal business task that still makes sense - think that has been dropped for some reason.
c) a hairpiece?
Given that the list of places they were given contact details for included a specialist trug shop it wasn't exactly hard to find out.
the very unusual term for a clam that they chose definitely made that challenging and I'd never heard of the fossil either.
No, a Sahara Desert Rose was a new one on me too.
To be fair this is really a logistics and negotiation task to see how well they can plan out getting to a number of different locations in a set time and then buying things.
oddly they seem to be allowed to use phones to locate places because you do not see them with A to Zs so they are half in the 21st century, half out.
Weren’t they all saying at the start that they can’t read a map? Did find that quite funny. It’s not rocket science m7s.
Guy. You literally see them with an A2Z. It's the foundation of this task.
heh, fair enough.
Did have a good laugh at them barely knowing what a 45 was, not able to read maps etc. Made me wonder what skills our generation lost. I can't think of any. If anything, our gen added skills. Perhaps we have reached a tipping point, and humanity is now declining into a technology dependant wheelchair?
I think skills we lost v our parents:
Mental arithmetic - yes we learnt it but not as thoroughly and not as practiced, because we did not need to be.
Spelling without spell check
Good legible handwriting
error free typing
Understanding how to play an 8 track and manually tune televisions.
My handwriting has gone to hell. I can still spell and do maths though.
What was that item nobody got. French word.
er?
I can tune an old TV. It's hardly a life skill though, such as navigating by map.
Car stuff
Changing spark plugs. Operation of choke. Double declutching. Crank starting.
The palourde (pron pall-oord)
a species of clam
had they pronounced it properly anyone could have told them it was a clam
but tbf I only know because I make a lot of vongole
They all stepped back from the map reading - I can’t read a map. Seriously? It’s not an OS map - it’s literally a paper version of what you see on google
They are all so unworldly and terrible and crap and it makes me cross that the producers have not modernised to present something more aligned with the world of 2023. The interviews are no more than bullying and name calling. The tasks encourage conflict. The pushy are rewarded ahead of the thoughtful.
one minute sugar says you can’t offend anyone by offering low and the next minute he criticises for it.
there are plenty of successful business people who don’t conduct themselves like sugar. I suspect sugar doesn’t actually do business like that irl
My mind is boggled by the amount of filler in the female candidates' faces. The only normal looking one buggered off because of a mental arithmetic arse-up. Expecting a lot of aesthetics business proposals when then time comes.
No real hotties is a major downer this year
A few may well have been hot before the troutface injections.
I remember a partner going absolutely ape because his trainee didn't know what "rolling stock" is......I tended to sympathise with the partner tbh
they usually look better on the BBC 2 program when presumably they are dressed and made up by pros rather than doing it themselves.
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