FT reporting they had Vitol cargoes and were involved in an STS transfer at the time of the attack

Nothing less than piracy

Threeepwood12 Mar 26 14:17

Nothing less than piracy

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not any more, now we have a multi polar no global rules it's just states acting in their sovereign interest

Pirates would steal the oil & the ship, kidnap or kill the crew and sell or ransom them for loot. Like Trump does with Venezuelan tankers.

The definition of piracy is “forcible robbery at sea”: see The Andreas Lemos  [1982] 2 Lloyd's Rep 483. 

Arghhh. 
Thanks ye, Heffalump, matey. 

2 L Arghhhh surely, Ed 

Heffalump12 Mar 26 14:33

The definition of piracy is “forcible robbery at sea”: see The Andreas Lemos  [1982] 2 Lloyd's Rep 483. 

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So not piracy as no theft and occurring in territorial waters of Iraq then

ah, well the territorial/international waters aspect of things gets a bit more complicated

let's stick to the no attempt at theft bit

Not sure I see the need for the word ‘forcible’ in that definition given that the definition of robbery is theft by force

Can piracy be committed by a state-owned vessel? Part of the definition of piracy was traditionally that it was by masterless men? (Hence letters of marque, privateers etc).

Well US Sov Cits consider the police to be land pirates... 

Merchant Shipping and Maritime Security Act 1997 s1(a)

"Piracy consists of any of the following acts:

(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed—

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b)"

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1997/28/schedule/5/part/1/crossheading/definition-of-piracy

We're not daft enough to illegalise naval warfare 101.

Cold comfort the crews of the ships, mind.

good point, cam

Hmm

Heff living in the world of common law/shipping judgments, Cam living in the modern statutory framework... but what, out of interest, do we say to a private vessel's crew attacking a military vessel?

is that (b)

"but what, out of interest, do we say to a private vessel's crew attacking a military vessel?"

Run away? Duck? Curse the capitalist ship owner who sent you through there? Sorry that you are collateral to Trump's lunacy?

Sorry, thought you posted attacking a merchant vessel.

A naval ship attacking a pirate ship? "Good luck, can you tie a hangman's hitch, as you might need one for the survivors"

I wonder what the definition of "private ends" is? If I seize a ship on the high seas for the Batley Town Guild (a public society accepting membership of any person), is that private ends?

I mean, it's clearly intended to mean "by a state, preferably one whose ruler we went to Cambridge with", but do the words admit other meanings?

And, thinking about it, the use of the word "crew" is wise, as in that documentary "Pirates of the Caribbean" the crew were in fact undead, and thus not persons... vaguely more seriously, a ship run by AI could thus have the computer tried (and hanged) for piracy..."

Hmm

is Cam really English? Any Englishman knows that foreign rulers always went to Oxford.

Heh @ mutters

Seriously impressed by cam's stat citation. 

Empire goes to Oxford, forrins go to Cambridge...

Pieces of Eights Week, then, for those pirates?

Really typical how those hot-headed non-whites just upped and attacked some shipping for no reason. Next, they'll be bombing girls' schools, and then heff will be really on his high horse lol 

papercuts16 Mar 26 10:24

Really typical how those hot-headed non-whites

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black and white are types of American

you're thinking of the Iranian (Persian if you're from an expat family hiding out in California I guess) and Arab divide