Another person dodging train fares

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/solicitor-banned-for-evading-650-in-train-fares/5069062.article

 

struck off for not paying his train fare, what a waste of a career

how was he getting away with not tapping out at his work location? Trains from Redhill go into Victoria or London Bridge, both of which have gates.....

For anyone who regularly uses the suburban trains or DLR you'll know that fare avoidance is absolutely endemic. This bloke got caught doing something that, presumably, an enormous number of people on that route/station were/are doing. He's stupid for doing it. 

Wellers: 

"...travel from east London to Redhill in Kent..."

 

 

What sort of numpty lives in an inner-city dive and works in the country? At least he'd get a seat I suppose. 

Even if he was commuting into London Bridge there are still lots of people who tailgate through the barriers to avoid paying.

Since when was Redhill in Kent? Deffo Surrey unless im missing something here?

I think it is Surrey but looking at the map it's perilously close to that triangle where Kent, Sussex and Surrey meet.

It really is absolutely lethal. I was unwittingly caught outside my zone a few weeks after being given a penalty fine for losing my oyster - hugely traumatic process where had to write grovelling apology and then 6 month long wait to see if they were going to go down criminal route. Conscious fare evasion when you're a lawyer is utterly idiotic. 

Do you not also have some pay as you go on your Oyster so if you stray out of your travelcard zones it just automatically pays the supplement?

Mine was in the days when I had a 1-3 travel card loaded onto my oyster. I thought that I would just have to top it up to clear the balance but that apparently is still an offence. 

I always had a travelcard and £20 pay as you go on mine to cover that situation.

how the fuck can a mistake like that be a criminal offence that's RIDICULOUS

From what I gather, he wasn't prosecuted for a one off mistake. He did it repeatedly. 

Silly boy.

Yes, apparently he did it again and again and I think he was caught on CCTV,

It is just not worth taking those kinds of risks.

 

Poor naive stupid sod.

Whenever a smug aunt makes a hilarious joke about 'legal ethics', I reminder her that - contrary to 99.9% of people, I could lose my job and my entire career for being busted for a public transport offence.

Tbh, there but for the grace of God...  The other morning I arrived at work in the city and the barrier wouldn't open.  I realised I'd touched my card onto the blue thingy to check the balance, but then (having altered my routine) forgotten to touch on to the green thingy to validate it.

The ticket inspector called me over - and instead of ruining my day (and potentially my year), just opened the barrier and waved me through.  Restored a slight bit of my faith in humanity.  

Oyster card is still full of IT glitches, and unreliable on many levels. I gave up along time ago and just use a travel card, so much simpler and reliable.

How do these investigations work? Surely you get caught, claim you've lost your ticket and pay the fine. How does it start down the rabbit hole of train companies checking months of CCTV and proving you've never had a ticket or whatever?

I'd guess he was seen repeatedly using the sneaky back door entrance or something.

I think there does need to be a distinction between an inadvertence and a mens rea to evade the fare.  I should think most of us have occasionally travelled outside a fare zone or not realised that a travelcard has run out, etc.  Losing your career for not being a morning person seems a bit harsh (speaking as someone who has an IQ of about 15 before 9am).

The day MPs start losing their seats and facing criminal prosecution for lying about their living arrangements and making false expense claims rather than getting away with apologising for a "mistake" is the day I will start to support harsh penalties for this sort of rubbish.

How do these investigations work? Surely you get caught, claim you've lost your ticket and pay the fine. How does it start down the rabbit hole of train companies checking months of CCTV and proving you've never had a ticket or whatever?

Presumably they ask if they have proof of purchase - debit or credit card records would show. When someone then says that's because they paid in cash and having already given their address as living in London the investigators say chinny reckon as who in London pays cash for the tube and they wait to see if that person turns up again later that week. If they do, it seems like a regular journey and at that stage they'd start checking the CCTV from previous weeks.

People who have legitimately forgotten/lost their ticket will have a record of regularly tapping in and out at that station. A regular fare dodger won't.

Suspect it's a case of he got pounced on one day by a revenue controller and when he was found not to have a ticket came over as all entitled so the inspector decided to do a little digging.  Treat these people decently and they'll usually just assume you're on the level and leave it at that.

“These people”? 

That alone marks you out as a grade A tool.

I saw this reported in more detail elsewhere.

Several aggravating factors, including it not just being a case of failing to tap in, he was actively pursuing a course of action that involved tapping in or out (I forget the exact details) elsewhere so it looked like it was a shorter journey.

Also they checked out ‘I didn’t have the money’ claim and it turned out to be bobbins.

ROF, you have changed.

 

not one of you has said only earning £38k doesn’t count as a career

Why are people so indulgent of someone systematically breaking the law?

wot again said. No time for fare dodgers, all they do is make it more expensive for the rest of us.

Wellington they don’t make it more expensive for rest of us , the rail companies have already priced it in.

Wellington they don’t make it more expensive for rest of us , the rail companies have already priced it in.

*facepalm*

But banks expect a certain level of armed robbery - the projected losses are already taken into account with the size of overdraft fees

What's wrong with calling general officialdom "these people"?  Friend of mine was a ticket inspector for a while and it's a grim job at the best of the times hence why I'm polite and pleasant to them when they stop me.  Don't think my friend ever recovered from stopping a guy to ask him if he had a ticket and just getting punched in the face.

It’s massively patronising and shows you be a complete twat.

Whatevs I'm quite happy for people to refer to us solicitors in similar terms and worse.

Redhill is most definitely in Surrey and over 20 miles from the Kent border. 

"Treat these people decently and they'll usually just assume you're on the level and leave it at that."

This.

Who really thought Redhill was in Surrey?? I do not think it is.

Sails, showing his true colours "these people" Do explain what you meant by these people?

Wellington they don’t make it more expensive for rest of us , the rail companies have already priced it in.

Jesus wept. 

Who really thought Redhill was in Surrey?? I do not think it is.

Try looking at a map, or Wikipedia.

It's next to Reigate. 

“He said that the 'voice inside his head' telling him not to do wrong was 'switched off' and now had 'deep regret' for what he had done”

Anyone else have voices in their heads telling them what is right or wrong?

Anyone else have voices in their heads telling them what is right or wrong?

Tony Blair?

Lady p i meant Sussex, I’ve notice you are very angry and uptight quite often. Why the needless aggression 

Goodness me, if you think someone pointing out that you are being a plonker is "needlessly aggressive", God help you if you ever meet someone with actual anger issues. Try being less of a wet blanket. 

Ah yes lady P formerly Anna I remember now, the government legal services lawyer, who has been dieting for years, who had her arse handed to her by Matty. Mmmm

Any sensible person has anger issues when it comes to brexit, dux. 

Oh, is that who you are? Twatty?

Here's a handy "life hack" for you: don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Also, what Kimmy said.

Of course Redhill is in Surrey. There was some poster on here called furio money grosso or something. Claimed to be the crime boss of East Surrey. Maybe its him.

Chambo - as far as anyone could ascertain, Furio's biggest crime was living off the immoral earnings of his mum.

Sussex starts at Gatwick airport which is just a bit south of Redhill

Ebit I simply meant people who deal with checking tickets on railways although in future rather than choosing a simple term I shall list guards, station staff, revenue control officers and all other relevant rail staff.  

The term you are looking for is "ticket inspector", Sails.

No Anna they don't exist any more.  Check the badges next time you see them and you'll see they are revenue controllers or similar.

I call a spade a spade, love. If they're inspecting tickets, they are ticket inspectors.

Erm, not sure you can call spades spades anymore.

Why, is it trans-exclusionary or something?

I bet Anna still calls her local refuse collection technicians binmen too.

I think he's referring to a racial epithet from days gone by (hopefully)

Yes, I do, Saillaw.

You know, I always used to sigh and say, "oh dear, bit un PC but they don't know any better" when I heard old people using unacceptable racial slurs, and think, "oh dear, too much Daily Mail is rotting your brain" when they complained about political correctness gone mad.

Now I find myself confused by all these new things that we're suddenly not allowed to say or think. Is this what getting old feels like?

The only marginally confusing bit is the whole trans thing as to when a man's a woman and vice-versa or possibly neither.

Hanging out with building construction technicians (previously known as builders) has been an eye opener.  The other day the apprentice who's barely 20 was telling me about he'd been to London and been amazed by the number of Asians.  Initially sounds inappropriate but then you realise that he's grown up in a small village in Kent with an almost all white population and has spent the vast majority of his time within about 30 miles of home.

The most staggering part is that he self reported this to the SRA. Had he kept quiet he'd still be in a job.

Heh. If I was inclined to dodge train fares in the first place which, obviously, I'm not.

Fred, do you have an opinion on the location of Redhill? That seems to be the main issue on this thread.

v poor article from the Mail linked above. No mention of the value of his house.

Redhill?  It's near Gatwick isn't it Stix...  :)

Given he'd been caught by the ticket inspectors and penalised Fred I'd be very surprised indeed if he'd managed to get away with it totally.  Self reporting was presumably just damage limitation (which was never going to work - nor should it what a fool). 

You're miles beyond one honest mistake, pay a penalty fare territory here given the number of offences and as he was sneaking out through a back gate pretty much every day.