Trainees and associates at Allen & Overy are keeping their fingers crossed, after rumours began to circulate of substantial pay rises across the board.

Nothing has yet been finalised - discussions are apparently only just starting and will take a couple of weeks to conclude. One partner suggested that first seat trainees could see their pay rise from £38,000 to £40,000, rising to £45,000 by the time they reach their final seats, although other sources have suggested that this may be wide of the mark. What does seem likely is that there'll be some sort of increase, apparently in recognition of the fact that trainees' salaries have been frozen for six years.

There are no figures yet for qualified lawyers, but anything would clearly be welcome. For one thing their salary bands were frozen last year, in common with those at Linklaters (although the rest of the Magic Circle posted modest increases). And there's also been an upturn in the market, leading to a general rise in the number of hours that associates across the City are being asked to put in.

    An associate enjoying his pay rise yesterday

If A&O gets in early with pay rises, it's likely that the other major firms will follow. So this could be good news for thousands of lawyers. RollOnFriday will bring you details as soon as they come out.

A spokesman for the firm was unable to comment as nothing had been finalised.


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Comments

Anonymous 30 March 12 09:56

in uncertain economic times it would be ridiculous to increase the bands. lawyers will get their incremental pay rise of of about 10% to 15% just by staggering through another year without being canned. Lets all put up the cost of doing business then, and then sack a whole bunch of people coz the clients didnt like the price hike that followed.

Dont get your hopes up too high, the partners still need to pay off thier dinners with the PM.

Anonymous 30 March 12 09:56

No matter the number, I will bet my next pint that the final number will be 30-40% lower than what A&O's US-based competitors pay in London (including bonus).

Anonymous 30 March 12 11:35

At trainee level the MC is quite competitive(ish) with the US firms. It's only at NQ level where MC NQs are short changed of £40,000. For the avoidance of doubt, I have worked for both and would say I work same or LESS hours at an US firm but the problem is we're expected to be aware of and responsive towards our blackberry 24/7.

Anonymous 30 March 12 12:20

I confirm the above comment. My girlfriend works at a US firm, while I work at a MC.

She earns 40% more than me, gets a higher bonus (despite MC's claims), and works less hours.

However, she is expected to be available 24/7. About once every two months she gets a call on a weekend and is expected to drop everything to do work, when frankly I don't see why it can't wait till Monday. Her firm therefore buys her an expensive computer and printer which she gets to keep (on top of pay). This has never happened to me at MC (rarely worked weekends, and only if truly required).

Anonymous 30 March 12 15:52

Isn't all this "oh no, I have to work evenings and weekends" not just the non-litigators at talk, haha. Just be smart, choose litigation and you decide when the next brief or whatever will be finished. Litigation at biglaw rocks: you get the pay, but not the hours.

P.s. you do actually have to have a (working) brain, tho.

Anonymous 30 March 12 16:43

I did my longest hours in litigation (100 hrs billable) (MC firm) as a trainee, found myself surrounded by insufferable khunts like the one posting above, and all I was doing was sorting docs into date order and putting page numbers on them. For the avoidance of doubt, this task was also being performed by both a 2PQE and a 7PQE associate.

Yeah, litigation rocks. Nonsense. Inhouse rocks. Oh, but you might actually have to understand business rather than the correct etiquette for when case law should be in bold, italic and underline.

PS happy Friday x

Anonymous 30 March 12 23:47

Trainee in litigation at a MC firm at the moment. Hours are no better than when I was in capital markets, in fact at the moment they're probably the worst i've ever experienced.

Roll On Friday 31 March 12 19:00

if this does in fact come to pass, do people reckon the USs will bump their pay up too just to top the MC?

Anonymous 01 April 12 11:29

I can't see US firms raising their salaries to "compete". They don't need to. It will be a decade before the MC gets anywhere near US pay-levels. If the economy has fully receovered by then, US firms will have expanded their operations in London to take advantage of that and will have probably raised pay levels further anyway.

Anonymous 02 April 12 10:48

Sullivan & Cromwell already announced that their trainee package will be £50k for first years and £55k for second years and £97.5 on qualification (the newbies straight out of law school in NY get a cool $160k straight up with no concept of 'trainees'). Most top US firms have also announced new salaries across all lock step levels in February, although not published (figures on rof are a bit outdated on the US side). Going by experience, if MC raises their salaries, the top US firms will normally follow suit to ensure that they are always paying a fixed percentage above its closest MC competitiors.

Anonymous 06 April 12 17:19

Agree with "10.29"... If the $160k has gone up in NYC (as it probably will in the next few years, if partner profits keep rising), US shops in London will like increase salaries roughly in line with this... Also note that a return to US firm pre-crunch bonus levels would make the pay pack look more like this:

http://abovethelaw.com/2007/11/associate-bonus-watch-sullivan-cromwell-matches-and-more/

Even without a salary rise that gives a first year associate $195k takehome, PLUS a possible small spring bonus too... roughly gives an NQ at US firm in London that treats its UK associates the same/similar upwards of £130k all-in - looks crazy compared to £60-65k at an MC (plus bonus).

That said. this year US bonuses were about 1/5th of this:
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/12/associate-bonus-watch-sullivan-cromwell-beats-cravath-and-promises-spring-bonuses/

Although let's not forget that the average US law grad has $200-400k debt from undergrad and law school to pay off, so these salaries have to make it worth their while... the gap in the UK created by the US firm pay results from cheaper legal education here short-circuiting the US model, but shows these firms are way more profitable - they can afford to do this and still match/beat the MC for PEP.

MC bonuses look pretty opaque to me, unlike the US guys who announce everything... can anyone shed any light on averages for MC from NQ and up?