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Does Dianne Abbot
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strutter
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:23
Know how stupid she is?

Or do we think she just came away from that ‘Today’ programme interview thinking “I did quite well there”
Abbeywell/NSA
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:35
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heh, I was thinking the same thing, she was speaking so slowly, it was as if her words were being fed to her through a hidden earpiece
trumptonia
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:36
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"Hello, Diane. Yes, morning, yes. We're sorry, but your normal handler walker prompt person is off sick today."
minkie
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:47
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The broadcaster’s lead up to it was brilliant.

“So, what would Labour do to prevent chemical weapon attacks in Syria? “

And just when you were thinking, crikey, I dont think Jeremy Corbyn is quite the solution the rebels have in mind, she continues, “ in the next hour we talk to Diane Abbot”.
Gulp.
trumptonia
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:49
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Is she going to scarf them all or something?
Cheesetoastie
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:52
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I genuinely think she is quite ill. She should retire.
Lydia
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:56
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She is one of the few Corbyn supporters who is prepared to speak to the media but it certainly rarely goes well.
Lincoln Burrows
Posted - 13 April 2018 08:56
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People lol as Boz as foreign sec.
But just imagine the Abbott alternative!!!
Jez needs to throw her under a bus.
trumptonia
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:12
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Well that's the political class we've got.....
Lincoln Burrows
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:14
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I don't even know wtf that is supposed to mean trumpy
Rhamnousia
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:17
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Diane Abbott, a black woman and daughter of blue collar workers in the 1970s, got into Cambridge.

Her IQ and resilience are pretty much twice that of anyone on this thread (Lydia excepted).

Ofc she never reached the giddy heights of being a middlingly successful English solicitor but we can't all be stars.
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:17
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She was absolutley skewered but not because of he intelligence or illness . It was because labour's position is utterly indefensible. There was no honest way of answering the questions without looking silly because the policy is silly.

To suggest Abbott is ill or thick is just a manifestation of your disgusting prejudices.
Rhamnousia
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:18
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what dot said in all ways

(her loyalty is her weakness here but then what else is to be done)
Misshoolie
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:20
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+ 1 for bullet point person
Spodric
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:21
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I lasted one sentence before losing patience with her and flicked over to R4 extra to hear Peter Sellers who was funnier than she was.


She said “nobody should deploy chemical weapons whether in Syria or in English county towns”. That took about 20 minutes.

Getting someone on as spokesperson who cannot distinguish between and conflates a biological nerve agent (Salisbury) and chlorine gas (Syria) just advertises the irrelevance of their viewpoint.
Spodric
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:21
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And what the dot said
McLovīn
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:22
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I don't think she's stupid, I just think she is incompetent, though I will concede that she's been dealt a rubbish hand by Labour voters that have managed to elect two rubbish leaders in a row.

How they picked Ed over David is something that i will never understand.
Cheesetoastie
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:23
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She did indeed get into Cambridge where she got a Desmond...

She is by her own admission quite ill. Diabetes is no joke. She also seems to be experiencing memory problems. That is more charitable than the alternative which is that she can't be arsed to prepare properly for interviews.
trumptonia
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:24
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Labour needs to stop trying to smear the govt over Salisbury, it's extremely poor behaviour for HM loyal opposition.

Putin still laughing all the way.
trumptonia
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:25
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The unions backed Ed M, dude.

Tells you all you need to know.
Spodric
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:26
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She was rubbish, slow and incomprehensibly inconsistent long before she became ill. She has been in politics for decades. She’s always been intolerably patronising while promoting nonsense policy and opinion. She has always been someone decent interviewers eagerly anticipate talking to as it is always radio magic.
trumptonia
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:30
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I do wonder if the snowflake gang that Jezza thinks will get him into power actually understand why the blather that DA and her ilk sounds the way it does. It's the sound of 'moving composite 2345 to conference'. It's the sound of stalinist bureaucracy. It's the sound of 'do as i say not as i do'. It's the sound of 'we'll let you know if you can have a phone in a few weeks'.



Cheesetoastie
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:30
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Fair enough. The slow patronising tone is infuriating. It is okay to be smug if you are coherent, but she talks absolute guff. She is only in her position due to her close ties with Corbyn. She is an absolute liability.
strutter
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:32
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Clergs, did you actually hear the interview? Because the feeling i’m getting here is that you didn’t.
248 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:33
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McLovin
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I don't think she's stupid, I just think she is incompetent, though I will concede that she's been dealt a rubbish hand by Labour voters that have managed to elect two rubbish leaders in a row.

How they picked Ed over David is something that i will never understand.

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That was neither the fault of the Labour Party rank and file nor the Parliamentary party, both of whom backed the Blairite brother. It was the unions who got Red Ed in, and it was him who changed the rules which then allowed an even more loony candidate to get through (albeit after some useful idiot MPs thought they were doing the right thing by nominating Corbyn 'so we can have a debate').
248 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:34
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"...both of which..." - sorry.
Bloody Nora
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:46
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What Clergs and Dot said.

I am no particular champion of Diane Abbott, but she is certainly no worse and no less competent than 90% of the Tory front bench, who are actually in power.

Diane Abbott hasn't repeatedly said stupid things calculated to piss off the other side in the Brexit negotiations, or increased the likelihood of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe rotting in jail for another 10+ years, for example.
sideways up
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:54
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I picked her up a couple of years back.

She came out and told me she was Diane and would out in a minute

So no arrogant - do you know who I am - vibe

We didn't talk much until we got to fleet street when she suggested we take embankment instead

We then chatted about Uber and black taxis

I remember now that before she got in the cab she was talking to some Aussie woman about funding for an art project

I remember thinking at the time how much council tax money would be pissed up the wall on that.

The ironic thing is she's being slagged off for not being a polished bullshitter who does an interview and gets away with saying nothing

In a world of Orwellian PC newspeak she makes a refreshing change
Robert Lucas
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:55
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" ... increased the likelihood of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe rotting in jail for another 10+ years, for example ..." It can't be said often enough.
strutter
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:57
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Forgive me Nora, but did you here the interview either?

I agree that old Alex Johnson is a self aggrandising danger, but he can at least string a sentence together.

Abbott was verging on the incomprehensible and that was my point. Does she lack the self awareness to recognise this?
strutter
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:58
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Hear, obviously. Damn autocorrect.
Bloody Nora
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:58
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I think we would all be better off if BoJo couldn't string a sentence together. Then maybe people wouldn't take him seriously or put him in positions of power thay he should absolutely not be in.

Have you ever listened to the sentences he strings together? The level of fuckwittery is terrifying.
Spodric
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:00
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It is not an indicator of Orwellian Newspeak to have a general expectation that people who aspire to leadership should be (a) articulate and (b) competent enough to string an idea together.
Spodric
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:01
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the level of fuckwittery in modern politics is terrifying. But we elect these people. How about we tell them all to just fuckoff.
Cheesetoastie
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:01
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The fact that BoJo is an utter fuckwit does not mean that Abbott is not thick as mince and incompetent.
Bloody Nora
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:04
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She is no less competent than BoJo, but has considerably less power.

Ergo, BoJo is currently a danger to us all (to some people more than others, such as the British citizens abroad in high risk countries for whom he is responsible), whereas Diane Abbott is not.
Cheesetoastie
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:07
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I think she is less competent, but agree with the rest of your post.
strutter
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:08
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Precisely what cheesetoastie said..

Alex is of course far more dangerous because he has verbal facility.

But that is not the point being made here. Just by way of reminder the point is how can Diane bear to step foot in a studio? Does no one tell her what she sounds like even if she can’t hear it herself?
sideways up
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:10
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This is the irony of which I speak Spod

To be a 'good' politician you have to be polished but effectively spout the same nonsense as Ms Abbot
Boiiiii du soiiii
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:13
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I don’t think she’s stupid. Her academic history speaks for itself.

She does not seem well though, not least give the massive decline in quality of her speeches, contributions etc. It’s a sad case of a politician that should have retired.
Cheesetoastie
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:18
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Lol at Academic history. She got into Cambridge and did poorly. Getting into Oxbridge is not the enormous achievement you seem to think it is.

I do feel sorry for her. Corbyn should at least take her out of the limelight and give her a break. At the moment the papers and news shows are just waiting to leap on anything daft she says.
Coracle Lolling
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:20
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Getting someone on as spokesperson who cannot distinguish between and conflates a biological nerve agent (Salisbury) and chlorine gas (Syria) just advertises the irrelevance of their viewpoint.

At the risk of advertising the irrelevance (or probably in my case, ignorance) of my own viewpoint, and not having heard the interview, what’s really the difference between using a biological nerve agent and using chlorine gas? Surely we’re not saying one’s acceptable?
Bloody Nora
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:21
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I think the reason she does so many TV appearances is because she's one of the few Labour politicians who is prepared to stay loyal to Corbyn.

Diane Abbott is not stupid, but she doesn't speak well on television and she is clearly suffering from health issues and needs a rest. The problem is that there are not that many candidates for the Labour front bench because a lot of people either won't work for Corbyn or get fired for not toeing the party line.

The problem is Corbyn, not Diane Abbott.

But even so, the stuff she comes out with is no more stupid than what BoJo comes out with. But because he's white and posh and better at talking shyt convincingly, he gets away with it. (Often with severe consequences, although it's never him that suffers them.)
sideways up
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:27
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Corbyn and her used to be lovers

Question is - does he still fvck her from time to time

"Diane will you please stop going on the radio and telly"

"Jewemy we've had this conversation many times before. If you twy and stop me I'll tell about us having weguwa bottom sex."
Keef_
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:28
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I think people are being understandably kind and generous, but it’s not toeing the party line that’s the problem, it’s basic grasp of brief. It does look to be a cognitive issue.
Bloody Nora
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:33
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No, I mean she's one of the few people prepared to toe the party line and that's why she ends up on TV instead of the Labour MPs who are more switched on and present better.

But she's still not alone in lacking a "basic grasp of brief". Hello, David Davies? Again, his incompetence has rather more serious consequences.
Lincoln Burrows
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:35
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" even so, the stuff she comes out with is no more stupid than what BoJo comes out with"

No sorry this is wrong. She is far worse than him.
not because of her race but because she is a fucking hmong
he is a twat but he does have a working brain,
struandirk
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:36
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The fact that Labour's position is indefensible does not mean that Abbott cannot *also* be crap. I'll grant her the fact that just being bad in front of cameras does not automatically make her stupid or a bad MP or a bad politician (although it is a pretty core skill for a politician and I struggle to see how she's succeeded without it).

But there is no evidence of competence in any other field either. Is there? I'm open to hearing about it.

All I know is that my wife used to be a teacher in a rough-as-fvck school in her constituency and hates her for being a sh1t constituency MP who couldn't be bothered to do anything for several of her constituents who desperately needed her help (plus the hypocrisy of sending her son private after preaching about state schools - to be clear there's nothing wrong with going for a private education - just don't be sanctimonious and hypocritical about it)
Keef_
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:43
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Agree re DD, but it’s more pronounced with DA.

Are interviewers still falling over each other to ask her numbers questions after the Nick Ferrari interview debacle?
Bloody Nora
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:46
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"Lincoln Burrows
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:35
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" even so, the stuff she comes out with is no more stupid than what BoJo comes out with"

No sorry this is wrong. She is far worse than him.
not because of her race but because she is a fucking hmong
he is a twat but he does have a working brain,"


Perhaps I will re-evaluate if I ever see him use it.
Bloody Nora
Posted - 13 April 2018 10:48
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Struandirk, Diane Abbot was re-elected with a massively increased majority which suggests that she must be doing something right as an MP.
AUS 4 - 0 ENG
Posted - 13 April 2018 11:10
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LOL at

"To suggest Abbott is ill or thick is just a manifestation of your disgusting prejudices."

"I am no particular champion of Diane Abbott, but she is certainly no worse and no less competent than 90% of the Tory front bench, who are actually in power."

Whether it is her health or not, she is verging on the illiterate, innumerate and unprepared in virtually every statement she gives.

It is embarrassing that this is the standard of MP in the UK.
Bloody Nora
Posted - 13 April 2018 11:12
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"Whether it is her health or not, she is verging on the illiterate, innumerate and unprepared in virtually every statement she gives."

Exactly the same could be said of David Davis, who is Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union.
FactHunt22
Posted - 13 April 2018 12:12
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I am not really sure what the obsession with Dianne Abbot is, most of which stemmed from her inability to remember the correct numbers in one interview. There are plenty of incompetent MPs, however she seems to get an increasingly disproportionate amount of criticism.
Boiiiii du soiiii
Posted - 13 April 2018 12:19
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I also cannot imagine why certain right wingers revel in this particular politician’s glaring incompetencies over the incompetencies of many others. It is difficult to see what difference they perceive.
Spodric
Posted - 13 April 2018 12:34
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why are we all spelling her name wrong?
Lincoln Burrows
Posted - 13 April 2018 12:46
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I have just realised I only have an issue with her because is a black woman.
It is not because she appears to the media all of the time being a slow talking idiot with no ability to articulate her parties non position on things. I am horrible person and shall now go and have myself reeducated.
!Threepwood
Posted - 13 April 2018 13:28
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Cat on a hot tin ceiling
Posted - 13 April 2018 13:29
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trumptonia
Posted - 13 April 2018 09:30
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I do wonder if the snowflake gang that Jezza thinks will get him into power actually understand why the blather that DA and her ilk sounds the way it does. It's the sound of 'moving composite 2345 to conference'. It's the sound of stalinist bureaucracy. It's the sound of 'do as i say not as i do'. It's the sound of 'we'll let you know if you can have a phone in a few weeks'.

Trumptonia nails it...

!Threepwood
Posted - 13 April 2018 13:34
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A couple of points on the interview. Robinson was terrible.

First, "who's the biggest threat to world peace?" is such a stupid question. Donald Trump wants to start a war with North Korea and Iran and tweets about it all the time. The Russian regime is a vicious criminal gang out for self-enrichment and nothing else, but there's at least a debate as to whether they're really a 'threat to world peace' in the traditional sense. They're not going to invade NATO because Vlad quite likes his life enjoying his stolen billions. A bullsh*t 'gotcha' attempt that had absolutely no probative value.

Secondly, she's being lampooned for mentioning WW2. The way Robinson phrased the question initially wasn't clear at all and WW2 wasn't a ridiculous answer.
Lincoln Burrows
Posted - 13 April 2018 13:38
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Soz Threeps but she was awful.
She has a strong point to make - I.E.. all MPS should have a vote before any action is taken but she waffled on about all sorts of crap that made her sound like an idiot. I am on her side but wanted her to shut up and go away!
Her odd comments about Kossovo were just wrong on the facts too.
Siegfreid
Posted - 13 April 2018 13:39
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If Diane Abbot is the solution, there is something desperately wrong with the problem.
!Threepwood
Posted - 13 April 2018 13:52
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Yes she was awful, I agree. But Robinson was also awful and as said above, there is nothing she can do with the ridiculous position imposed on Labour by that useless th1ck brexit-loving khunt who's hijacked the only entity that can hold to account the worst government this country has ever had .

Where's the evidence it was the Russians who attacked Salisbury? Where's the evidence it was Assad who gassed his own civilian population? We should wait until evidence comes to light. Maybe it wasn't them? After all, Vlad denied it. We need to find a diplomatic solution here, and have a UN-led inspection. Oh, Russia has vetoed this multiple times? I'm sure Vlad had good reasons.

Despicable stupid bast@rd doing the work of paid Russian trollbots for free.
strutter
Posted - 13 April 2018 13:57
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Come on now threeps - lord north’s government wasn’t terribly good either
stop: wangertime!
Posted - 13 April 2018 14:16
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It's very hard to take a side on this subject. She is clearly off her game in the limelight (used to quite like her on McNeill's show and she held her own to my mind against portillo). But you know, the people who raise this all the time...
Patience Groove
Posted - 13 April 2018 14:23
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Abbott is not great in pressure interviews - but she is far from stupid.
Obadiah Hakeswill
Posted - 13 April 2018 15:49
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"I am not really sure what the obsession with Dianne Abbot is, most of which stemmed from her inability to remember the correct numbers in one interview. There are plenty of incompetent MPs, however she seems to get an increasingly disproportionate amount of criticism."

And her view that the opinions of unionist northern Irish should be ignored because they are an “enclave of white supremacist ideology comparable to white settlers in Zimbabwe".

And her failure to declare earnings.

And the fact she sent her son to a private school after criticising other people (including her own colleagues) for doing that, explaining it was fair because "West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children".

And the fact she is a leeeetle bit racist (or at least has a disturbing tendency to come out with racist comments).

But, yeah, apart from that...

Siegfreid
Posted - 13 April 2018 16:01
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She has a child? WTF is wrong with people
Siegfreid
Posted - 13 April 2018 16:01
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She has a child? WTF is wrong with people
FactHunt22
Posted - 13 April 2018 16:12
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Like I said, obsession.
strutter
Posted - 13 April 2018 16:16
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The bit I liked best was when asked to give a situation where labour would support a war and the best she could come up was WW2 - meaning presumably that she considers all the wars since then not to be legitimate
tarquin
Posted - 13 April 2018 19:04
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'She’s always been intolerably patronising while promoting nonsense policy and opinion'

This is the default Labour Party position

They are all like that
Excession
Posted - 13 April 2018 20:04
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She's got 10 O levels (7 As) and 3As and a B at A level. That's probably about the same as most of us, so she isn't super smart but she is a damn sight smarter than she sounds in interviews recently.

I think some sort of mental degradation or illness is the obvious explananation. This morning he managed to refer to the Salisbury incident as a poison gas attack for example.

She doesn't annoy me as much as Harriet Harman - at least Diane got to where she has on her own merit and without a silver spoon...
Chambers
Posted - 13 April 2018 20:21
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Academics, half way decent in the past. Street smarts, quick on her feet now?, less so. She is ill.

all them cornfields
Posted - 13 April 2018 21:13
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Lol at “halfway decent in the past”
KeyboardWarrior
Posted - 13 April 2018 21:32
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"...Diane Abbott, a black woman and daughter of blue collar workers in the 1970s, got into Cambridge.

Her IQ and resilience are pretty much twice that of anyone on this thread (Lydia excepted)....."

Balderdash. Getting into Cambridge in the 70s was a lot easier than getting in in the 90s or 00s. Also, an Oxbridge education is always a plus but it really does not necessarily mean one is exceptional. Diane is nowhere near being exceptional. Lots of Oxbridge grads are not exceptional. You are giving her credit where credit is not due.

tarquin
Posted - 13 April 2018 22:19
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'Getting into Cambridge in the 70s was a lot easier'

Yes,if you were one of the silver spoon / jeunesse doree brigade, with only 1% of the population going to university

Dianes mother was a sensible woman who backed Margaret Thatcher
Pinkus
Posted - 14 April 2018 06:51
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Not sure what the issue is with Labour's position on war.

jinx
Posted - 14 April 2018 09:48
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I think the point is that given labour actually launched a lot of the wars In the last 70 years (Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan for instance) DA isn’t being very smart in referring back to WW2 as being the only example of a justifiable war she can think of
Likes to eat cheeseburgers
Posted - 14 April 2018 11:33
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As Buzz says, she is unwell.

Time for her to get out of politics and slowly fade away.
minkie
Posted - 14 April 2018 11:43
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I do not see why any person’s academic qualifications are relevant. We judge people on what they say and do. If an MP strikes me as thick/clever it is because it is an impression I have formed not because I have looked at their CV.