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Mr Hargreaves
Posted - 31 March 2018 18:39
Heh
Gabriel Oak
Posted - 31 March 2018 19:48
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I had this in MC c1996 and left after about 3’years of it .. I’m appallingly needy of sleep and still could quite happily spend 10pm-10am fast asleep.

If you find it tough I don’t think there is a solution. Some people need more sleep

What I’m fascinated by now though is what drives long hours

Back in the 90s we didn’t have

-online research tools
-pcs
-ability to type one’s own docs

If we were churning documents we had to wait for word processing to get the doc and then decipher one’s manuscript mark-up and riders and so on.

What has changed now? (I don’t do big deals now) if you have a giant document, who does the typing now? We were told-as pcs came in- that we were paid to think not type... of course in-house at least most junior people do their own typing but on big deals of course externals manage the docs
Rhialto
Posted - 31 March 2018 19:52
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Gets worse when you have children interrupting the sleep you do get
battleguy
Posted - 31 March 2018 20:01
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Rhialto - it massively helps if you have the grandparents still alive/living nearby

What everyone I know does is just sleep at weekends and sleep 4 odd hours on weekdays.

We don't have sleep pods, but we really should. If you could rent sleep pods in the city, I'd definitely do that.
battleguy
Posted - 31 March 2018 20:02
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That's a winning business idea btw.
Rhialto
Posted - 31 March 2018 20:12
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Rent a grandparent. Hmmm. How old do I have to be to offer my services? Might be almost as well paid.
GwenllianJones
Posted - 31 March 2018 20:31
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Gabriel Oak is right. There is no solution for chronic sleep deprivation. As a matter of interest if you are working until the early hours of the morning, are you expected to turn up for 9.30am to start the next day's work or can you roll in at lunchtime? I suppose it depends on the deal.
battleguy
Posted - 31 March 2018 21:04
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Yeah, turn up at 9 - 9:30 mostly.

One issue is leaving at say 2am or 4am, going home and coming back around rush hour isn't the best. I'd rather just stay in a pod and shower at the office or gym.
Mr Hargreaves
Posted - 31 March 2018 21:48
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Very impressive
Lydia
Posted - 31 March 2018 21:59
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I need a lot of sleep and luckily now work at home. I even laid down on my floor after lunch today for a short nap, bit of a hard floor but it has carpet. I have never regularly worked to the early hours even at Slaughter and May when I was there. i have had period with not much sleep (having 5 children and babies who don't sleep and being the one who breastfeeds and then getting up after being up most of the night with a baby to get into work is pretty hard too). All I can say is get sleep when you can, weekend afternoon naps, sleeping at your desk if you can, sleeping on the train home.
Camp bed in the office or I suppose they don't give people their onw offices as much as when I workedin a firm which is dreadful - nothing nicer than shutting your office door and no one else is in it.

Also remember your main loyalty needs to be to yourself and that includes to ensure your own health. You are no use to any client or law firm if you are so tired you cannot function.

Also how you eat make a difference. I drink water (not alcohol) and I try to avoid processed foods.
Gabriel Oak
Posted - 31 March 2018 22:08
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Lydia

Shall we get lay (hens and eggs and placing something. ) and lie (supine people etc) verbs right? You seem to have an issue with these verbs

I lie down
I lay down
I have lain down

Now the eggs and placing something::

I lay it down/ I lay an egg
I laid it down/I laid an egg

I have laid an egg/ it down/
battleguy
Posted - 01 April 2018 00:18
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I think even Slaughter and May may have changed since the mid-80s, but don't quote me on that.
Foxbat
Posted - 01 April 2018 07:40
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Can you think of many other industries where we would even be having this conversation. The fact you're raising the issue **should** be a glaring warning to you that it's time to think about finding a more sustainable job.
Tee Pottt
Posted - 01 April 2018 09:43
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I left a job over exactly this point.

EP phoned me on Saturday, TP would you mind covering this really important matter for very imp client.

Finished the whole thing to the clients delight at 2 30 Monday morning.

Rocked into the office on Monday at about mid day, was given a lecture about 'core hours' by same EP.

Turned around and walked straight out of the door!

Was the beginning of this working for myself thing and have never looked back.
Keef_
Posted - 01 April 2018 19:09
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Tbf 2:30am is no excuse for rocking up at midday.
Ash89
Posted - 01 April 2018 22:51
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A person can't cope with the unsustainable. The fact is you need sleep on a regular basis. It's true that everybody is different with the amount, but where the need isn't satisfied then it will negatively effect your health eventually.

Plus, this is really the firm's resource problem. Like they say, don't make their problem, your problem.
Tee Pottt
Posted - 02 April 2018 09:01
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What pissed me off was the Please Tpottt I know its the weekend but could you please ........ approach, then being treated like a child for rocking up at mid day. I was seriously expecting to be thanked not bollocked.

Am sure they billed their client a stupid hourly rate for MY weekend.
GwenllianJones
Posted - 02 April 2018 09:13
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It would have peed me off mightily too TP.. There is such a thing as give and take.