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Cat on a hot tin ceiling
Posted - 09 January 2018 07:00
He is an ar8e so I will shed no tears but it's a bit pathetic really.




Capt Haddock
Posted - 09 January 2018 07:06
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He oddly reminds me of laz.

His resignation was inevitable.
WACC
Posted - 09 January 2018 07:32
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Ha Ha, it was only yesterday I said on this board he would be gone within 6 months. Stand down my arse, more like summarily dismissed. Good riddance. Is that a record 3 days in a job?
drinkingproblem
Posted - 09 January 2018 07:35
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Yes, we don't want honest politicians. We want politically correct non-speak.

We don't accept apologies, we don't forgive people; we burn them.

I don't know much about the guy, I have no view on him personally or his record. The problem is if he's doing a good job, then who are replacing him with? And even if he isn't, the disruption of one guy leaving and another overpaid workshy status obsessed weasel coming in, getting briefed and trying to understand his job and the department is hardly worth the effort of bothering in the first place. At the end of the day, you're playing about with millions of pounds and the education of the millions in important jobs over political correctness and pandering to SJWs and the media.
drinkingproblem
Posted - 09 January 2018 07:37
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Oh nevermind me. Obviously talking a lot of bollocks as he was just appointed. Good riddance and all that.
shatner's_bassoon
Posted - 09 January 2018 07:41
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Lol. All those hours spent deleting tweets for nothing. Is hanners ok?
Capt Haddock
Posted - 09 January 2018 07:42
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Rude- Jo Johnson promoted him as a candidate and appointed him. Young clearly thought this is one way to the upper chamber. A bit like Adonis.
Bentines
Posted - 09 January 2018 08:28
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“Future peer”
Discworld_Librarian
Posted - 09 January 2018 09:19
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I for one will be wearing a black armband today for Tobes, a cruel casualty of snowflake lefty culture.

As we all know, John Stuart Mill was very specific that right-leaning persons who make hay out of denigrating the dispossessed should definitely not be criticised themselves in the Free Market of Ideas, and it's a sad shame that the poor man has been judged on the things he has written about the beliefs he sincerely holds. My lip is a-tremble just thinking about the injustice.
244 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 09 January 2018 09:28
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GMT
Posted - 09 January 2018 09:34
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Don't agree with Guido who obv has a politically biased axe to grind here that O'Mara's tweets were worse in nature or volume than Young.
The better point surely though (and I do think O'Mara should also go and even more so the idiot SF MP who put the Kingsmill bread on his head - a 3 month suspension for that seems very light) is that all the main parties surely aren't doing proper due diligence on social media accounts of MP's/appointees before they are offered roles?
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 09 January 2018 09:36
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So, if I have understood this correctly, he was previously carving out a career as some sort of Shock Jock, a kind of Katie-Hopkins-Lite, and then some numpty decided that he could be given a public office? On what planet was that ever going to work? I agree with the sentiments that they should sack the people who appointed him.

Cat on a hot tin ceiling
Posted - 09 January 2018 09:57
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He was never a 'shock jock'. He was a mildy provocative journo who helped set up the modern review and later wrote in the Spectator. He also helped set up a moderately successful free school and devoted a huge amount of his time to doing so.

The stuff that they went after him for was mainly (i) something he wrote when he was a student at Oxford (a few decades ago) that may (or may not) have been offensive about working class kids at Oxford; and (ii) a weird tendency to comment on women's breasts on twitter.

He is often described as the 'son of a peer' which is technically true but his father was a labour life peer (and a major figure in the labour party of the immediate post war era).

He is more than a bit of a twat frankly but pre Weinstein and/or with a stronger government behind him his appointment to what is a fairly minor role would have been a minor storm in a tea cup that went ahead without fuss.

He is clearly a bright guy (Oxford first, Fulbright Scholarship) and has actually got of his ar8e and tried to do something (set up a free school) that benefits his local community. He wasn't/isn't an abviously inappropriate choice for the job and personally I think he would have been OK at it.
Zero Gravitas
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:01
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He was involved in a Free School somehow and had some sort of grace and favour appointment on a quango/educational charity, so there is some, very limited, educational background.

The point the right have to learn is that free speech cuts both ways. He should (and has) the right to say what he wants, but everyone else, including prospective employers, have the right to judge him on that.

TBF the left would do well to learn the lesson of what happens when you give these d1ckheads enough rope.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:01
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HOW DARE THESE LEFTIES CRITICISE TOBY YOUNG: SO MUCH FOR FREE SPEECH!!
Used Psychology
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:04
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I love the fact that he wa prevented from getting away with repeating his Free School trick. His kids will be coming up to University age soon, what better way to ensure they get the golden ticket(s) than being a current or former regulator?
Patience Groove
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:09
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Cat the fact is that these tweets indicate what he really thinks, it is not a case of making "mistakes" it is a window into what makes him tick- what about his comment about the "ghastly inclusivity" of ramps for the wheelchair bound at schools? He is completely unsuitable to being a schools regulator.
Discworld_Librarian
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:22
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Zero Gravitas
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:01
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......

TBF the left would do well to learn the lesson of what happens when you give these d1ckheads enough rope.



As that's working so well with the current crop of unqualified boys-club knobheads in the Cabinet? Any day now and Bojo will trip himself up with an unrecoverable gaff. Or just stay there indefinitely doing long-term harm to our international prospects.
Bentines
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:23
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My first thought on reading this today was that his martyrdom is now assured.

Sure enough...
Discworld_Librarian
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:25
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Well sure Bentines, if you include a hoity toity article from Authentic Man of the People (TM) Brendan O'Neill in Medium, it is.
Socio_Path
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:25
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He's a poisonous dwarf dressed as Phil Mitchell masquerading as an intellectual.
Bentines
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:26
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They're only just getting warmed up. There'll be a song for Toby soon.
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:34
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Dude, anyone with "a weird tendency to comment on women's breasts on twitter" is imo not fit for any kind of senior, public-facing role. It is proof positive of a spectacular lack of judgement and diplomacy.

!Threepwood
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:35
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if he's doing a good job

Appropriate username, m7
Bentines
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:36
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In case my pisstaking has been misconstrued, I think my opinion of Toby Young has been well documented elsewhere on here. In short, I think you can put me in the "not really a fan" category.
Discworld_Librarian
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:40
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Much as I'm enjoying the schadenfreude somewhat, there is a serious point, which is that a regulatory body relating to universities should be staffed by one or two political appointees, but mainly educationalists with experience of the university sector.
!Threepwood
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:42
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And as much as I'm enjoying the schadenfreude, I'm not enjoying it as much as the thought that nobody turned up to his stag do.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-day-i-stopped-believing-in-the-friendship-m yth/
!Threepwood
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:44
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As we puttered back to shore in the leaky fishing boat, the rain lashing our wetsuits, I had a moment of clarity. My belief in the unbreakable bonds of friendship was a sentimental illusion. The true test isn’t when you’re in trouble — it’s relatively easy to stand by your friends in their hour of need, although, come to think of it, plenty of my friends have failed that test, too.


Cat on a hot tin ceiling
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:47
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Laz - I am not going to defend the bloke ffs. I am sure hanners or someone can come along to do that. He is a twat. I am not sure he does really believe that there shouldn't be wheelchair ramps in schools though.




BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:52
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"there is a serious point, which is that a regulatory body relating to universities should be staffed by one or two political appointees, but mainly educationalists with experience of the university sector."

OH HERE WE GO, THE MASK SLIPS: SOMEBODY WANTS SO-CALLED "EXPERTS" TO BE INVOLVED IN REGULATING HIGHER EDUCATION!

WELL THIS IS BREXIT BRITAIN AND YOUR EXPERTS AREN'T WANTED: TOBY YOUNG HAS OPINIONS AND ITS OPINIONS THAT MATTER, NOT YOUR SO-CALLED "EXPERTS" AND THEIR SO-CALLED "FACTS"!!
Zero Gravitas
Posted - 09 January 2018 10:59
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Catto - the point to repent from trying to be a polemicist is before you're actually getting hauled over the coals for getting appointed to a job where that would be controversial.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:02
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AND WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH FINDING THE SIGHT OF SLOPES FOR CRIPPLES - INSTEAD OF PERFECTLY GOOD STAIRS THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS QUITE HAPPY USING - UTTERLY GHASTLY?!?
Pillsbury
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:02
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Typical snowflake double standards. I do not care much for the person involved, but he has been hounded out in a way that totalitarian movements used to act in the 30`s.
Third Half
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:03
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Sergio @9:26

That motion is seconded. Can we agree here now by a show of hands?

Oh, I am sorry, Tarquin, by virtue of his major holding wants a named vote...

BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:04
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"I do not care much for the person involved"

WELL YOU MAY NOT CARE BUT THESE HORRID SNOWFLAKES HAVE REALLY HURT MY FEEELINGS BY SAYING MEAN THINGS ABOUT TOBY YOUNG!!

DON'T THEY KNOW WHAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH MEANS?!?
Discworld_Librarian
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:08
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He also looks like a bollock.
Patience Groove
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:10
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I am not Laz, Cat.

I am sure he would say he is not against ramps in schools but those sorts of comments market the man. A controversialist does not make a good regulator and he only got a appointed because he his BoJos mate.
kc101
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:13
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He's also been really hurting Heston Blumenthal's brand. Poor guy can barely leave the house.
Misshoolie
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:15
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"he has been hounded out in a way that totalitarian movements used to act in the 30`s."

You twat

Your comment doesn't deserve a more considered response than that
kc101
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:18
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The twats really don't like it up 'em, do they.
January Sails
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:35
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Has anyone actually asked him if his views have changed since he made some of the historical tweets? I assume not as these days it is taken for granted that as people go through life they can only believe what they believed at the age of 19 and cannot change their opinions.

His documentary on the frustration of trying to establish a free school and his views on what should be included in the school syllabus was interesting from what I recall. Didn't he go on to set up more than one free school?
Misshoolie
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:42
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He wasn't 19 was he. He's 50 odd twitter didn't exist when he was 19. Or even 39

Most of them were only a few months old.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 11:57
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"I assume not as these days it is taken for granted that as people go through life they can only believe what they believed at the age of 19 and cannot change their opinions."

ANOTHER VERY GOOD POINT: SHOULD TOBY YOUNG REALLY BE JUDGED BY WHAT HE WAS SAYING AND DOING AS A CALLOW YOUNG MAN IN HIS FORTIES / EARLY FIFTIES?!?

LIKE THAT OTHER POSTER SAID, THIS IS BASICALLY A REENACTMENT OF WHAT TOOK PLACE IN NAZI GERMANY IN THE 1930S: THIS IS TOTALITARIANISM!!

TOTALITARIANISM!!
Burt..Gently!!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 12:01
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So long Tit Man Tobe, you toxic chancer
Zero Gravitas
Posted - 09 January 2018 12:04
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I'd say Heh @ Brexit but tbh he's getting quality material to work with here
January Sails
Posted - 09 January 2018 12:16
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Fair enough. The coverage I'd read certainly suggested that some of the tweets were several years old.
pancake humper
Posted - 09 January 2018 12:28
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Fear not - Jo Johnson's just been given a post at the Department of Transport, so Toby will be running the East Coast Mainline soon.
Zero Gravitas
Posted - 09 January 2018 12:29
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Sailo they were, but Young is 50-odd. Twitter was founded in 2006.
Patience Groove
Posted - 09 January 2018 13:31
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Sail, you have a habit of trying to sound reasonable and neutral while always actually lining up with the right wing nutjobs like Hanners and OGR. Why not just be honest about it?
!Threepwood
Posted - 09 January 2018 13:33
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1 hr pp, he's just asking questions, ok?
January Sails
Posted - 09 January 2018 13:35
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I'm pretty tug light about Mr. Young as pretty much all I know about him is that I watched his documentary on setting up a school a few years ago.

The point about never being allowed to change your views applies to public figures right across the political spectrum. I'd think more of Mr. Corbyn if he at least tried to claim that he no longer espoused some of his historical views rather than keeping silent and hoping people won't realise that means he hasn't changed at all.
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 09 January 2018 13:43
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The bit that some of the backlash to the news backlash seems to be missing, is not just that the tweets are recent (i.e. can't be dismissed as ancient history of a misspent youth) but also the repetitive nature of them.

If he had just posted one single solitary tweet about women's breasts, then perhaps there would be grounds for overlooking it as a one-off indiscretion. From what I understand, the indiscretions came thick and fast, over a period of several years, to the point that they indicate a permanent character trait (and a spectacular lack of judgement for making it all so public).



January Sails
Posted - 09 January 2018 13:44
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I wish people would stop mentioning womens' breasts...
Misshoolie
Posted - 09 January 2018 13:49
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He wrote an article advocating "progressive eugenics" in 2015

He shouldn't have been allowed to set up a school either.
Zero Gravitas
Posted - 09 January 2018 13:59
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Sailo what "views" do you think that he needed to change? Giving Claudia Winkleman's boobs a higher rating than he did previously? That Danny Boyles wife (actually his 15 year old daughter) doesn't, in fact, have massive knockers? Whether he did actually have his dick up that bird's arse in that photo?
January Sails
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:02
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Maybe just suggesting that he acknowledges his previously misogynistic point of view and has realised the error of his ways, etc.

To be fair I've certainly changed my opinions on Winkleman over the years.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:04
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"That Danny Boyles wife (actually his 15 year old daughter) doesn't, in fact, have massive knockers?"

NOTHING WRONG WITH COMMENTING ON THE PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF UNDERAGE GIRLS IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE UNDERAGE AT THE TIME!

WHO AMONG US - AS A GROWN MAN - HAS NOT SAID AND/OR THOUGHT THINGS ABOUT 15 YEAR OLD GIRLS IN THE ENTIRELY INNOCENT BELIEF THAT THEY WERE AT LEAST 16??
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:05
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"he acknowledges his previously misogynistic point of view and has realised the error of his ways"

AND THIS IS ANOTHER VERY GOOD POINT: HE DELETED THE TWEETS!!

WHAT MORE DO THESE TOTALITARIANISTS WANT?!?
Zero Gravitas
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:09
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"To be fair I've certainly changed my opinions on Winkleman over the years. "


Yeah, much more obvious these days isn't it.
Pillsbury
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:23
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I thought Hoolie was one of the most sensible posters here, but she fails to understand how these tactics [not unlike those the Nazis used for public figures they disliked] reek of totalitarianism. As Justice Holmes said freedom of speech means freedom of speech for those whose opinions we hate and despise. Using "twat" is a juvenile response. Some so-called "Progressives" have a blinkered view of anyone`s rights apart from their own.
January Sails
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:24
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What's much more obvious?
Patience Groove
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:25
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It does not reek of "totalitarianism" to consider that a man who has made the comments he has over the years is not suitable to be a regulator of schools.
TDB
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:26
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'not unlike those the Nazis used for public figures they disliked'

No-one has stopped Toby Young saying whatever he likes, get a fvcking grip.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:28
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"It does not reek of "totalitarianism" to consider that a man who has made the comments he has over the years is not suitable to be a regulator of schools."

YOU CAN ONLY SAY THAT IF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TOTALITARIANISM!

TRY LOOKING UP NAZI GERMANY IN THE 1930S: THIS IS JUST THE SAME!

ITS JUST LIKE THE NAZIS: TOTALITARIANISM!! TOTALITARIANISM!!

BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:29
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"No-one has stopped Toby Young saying whatever he likes, get a fvcking grip."

BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT TOBY YOUNG SAID: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO FREE SPEECH?!?

TOTALITARIANISM! ITS TOTALITARIANISM!!
Misshoolie
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:32
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Poor Toby Young being banned from working, having his office windows smashed and forced to wear a yellow star

Oh wait

Cat on a hot tin ceiling
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:36
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heh the totalitarianism thing is ludicrous ffs.

The issue is more that we are in danger of insisting that only very 'vanilla' people get these types of roles.

I am not sure that is particularly healthy.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:37
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IF THIS IS THE CLIMATE OF FEAR WE NOW FIND OURSELVES LIVING IN I MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK AND DELETE ALL MY OLD TWEETS ABOUT UNDERAGE GIRLS' BREASTS TOO: WELL I HOPE YOU HORRID SNOWFLAKES FEEL PROUD OF YOURSELVES I COULD JUST CRY I REALLY COULD!!
Pillsbury
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:38
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Poor Toby Young forced out of his job by a baying agglomeration of intolerant and blinkered snowflakes...... The cap does fit and this mob rule is not only self-righteous but smacks of the 30`s. And Brexit is another poster I have a lot of time for - but here it is getting 1984ish.
Patience Groove
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:40
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"The issue is more that we are in danger of insisting that only very 'vanilla' people get these types of roles."

I think regulators should be vanilla tbh - we are not looking for creative mavericks - this is regulation not show biz.
TDB
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:44
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'Poor Toby Young forced out of his job by a baying agglomeration of intolerant and blinkered snowflakes'

This is a guy who has built a career on being 'refreshingly politically incorrect', telling us that there is no right not to be offended and sneering at 'snowflakes'. To now go crying to teacher because the snowflakes are being mean to him is a little difficult to swallow.

Anyway, subjecting public officials to scrutiny is the opposite of '1984ish'.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:44
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"I think regulators should be vanilla tbh - we are not looking for creative mavericks - this is regulation not show biz."

WE DON'T WANT ONE OF YOUR SO-CALLED "EXPERTS", WE WANT THE BEST OF THE BEST!!

AND THAT IS WHY JO JOHNSON'S BROTHER'S CHUM TOBY WAS CLEARLY THE MAN FOR THE JOB!!
Cat on a hot tin ceiling
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:47
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I don't agree with that at all particularly not in the higher education sector where there are vast numbers of vested interests. You need people who will challenge the cozy status quo, who aren't from within the sector and who aren't afraid to speak out about bad practice.
Misshoolie
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:48
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Bad practice like having wheelchair ramps? Absolutely
BREXIT!!
Posted - 09 January 2018 14:51
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"but here it is getting 1984ish"

ITS LIKE THOUGHTCRIME ISN'T IT PILLSBURY!

IF I'M WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND SEE A 15 YEAR OLD GIRL - WHO I ENTIRELY INNOCENTLY MISTAKE FOR A 16 YEAR OLD GIRL OR OLDER - WITH BIG BAPS AM I SUPPOSED TO NOT TWEET TO ALL MY FOLLOWERS THAT I WANT TO PUT MY COCK BETWEEN THEM?!?
kc101
Posted - 09 January 2018 15:23
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Public outcry following an poorly thought through appointment leading to a voluntary resignation is of course Orwellian mob rule.

Mind you, those 48% who wanted to stay in the EU and talk about a parliamentary system existing precisely to prevent tyranny of the majority populism are traitorous enemies of the state who should just shut up and deal with it.