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SumoKing
Posted - 17 February 2017 10:48
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 February 2017 10:29

This is something of a success for the Leave camp.
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I think the idea that someone with a bit of a public profile is supporting Remain is good

I agree that polarises opinions but I think mainly it is hard left that hates him for the Iraq war and everyone else is probably a bit embarrassed by the mess but more worried about their jobs vanishing

As ever with , great timing, coming out with this just as consumer sales flatline and inflation is starting to bite
Judy_Carter
Posted - 17 February 2017 10:49
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I HATE him so much.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 10:51
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I agree that polarises opinions but I think mainly it is hard left that hates him for the Iraq war and everyone else is probably a bit embarrassed by the mess but more worried about their jobs vanishing

I think he's unpopular among the Leave bloc too - and it's Leavers who need to be won over. He was never liked by the socially conservative right wing, and that's the demographic that disproportionately dominates the Leave vote.
Keef_
Posted - 17 February 2017 10:54
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Given the acquiescence of the opposition in the Commons there is a vacuum for more structured and virulent opposition to Brexit.

Whether Uncle Tony can knit together the various strands into something with a bit of momentum and teeth... he's not a bad candidate for that. Probably too much baggage tho.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 10:56
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The baggage is the problem.

David Miliband could have done it, if he was still around.
sporting_zucchini
Posted - 17 February 2017 10:56
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Tony in drag would make a gr8 Marie Antoinette

"Qu'ils mangent la Brioche" addressed to Brexiteers would go down so well

A guillotine awaits His Toniness


Nexis
Posted - 17 February 2017 10:58
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I'm no b.liar fan but with no credible opposition from the main political parties, I'm glad that someone prominent is picking up the Remain mantle.
SumoKing
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:00
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ReggiePerrin
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I think he's unpopular among the Leave bloc too - and it's Leavers who need to be won over. He was never liked by the socially conservative right wing, and that's the demographic that disproportionately dominates the Leave vote.
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Well, there is the leave block who want a return to an absolute monarchy and then there are the people who were won over by lies about the NHS and Immigration which Cameron (or Teresa May at the Home Office) could have killed had he imposed the existing mechanisms that remove EU migrants who haven't found work after 3 months.
94 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:00
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To be clear, I share Reggie's wish that Tony be joined by Brown, Clarke, Major, Patten, Heseltine, Ashdown and/or other pro-European grandees from across the political establishment.

That worked out well for them last time.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:01
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Well, there is the leave block who want a return to an absolute monarchy

Let's leave ducks out of this.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:02
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311 Sleeps To Christmas
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To be clear, I share Reggie's wish that Tony be joined by Brown, Clarke, Major, Patten, Heseltine, Ashdown and/or other pro-European grandees from across the political establishment.

That worked out well for them last time.


It worked out well in the sense that a united political establishment kept us in the European project for 44 years, yes.
94 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:06
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You're right, Reggie, time to bring back , Brown, Clarke, Major, Patten, Heseltine, Ashdown and/or other pro-European grandees from across the political establishment for a greatest hits reunion.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:07
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The only regret is that Heath has gone to receive his eternal reward.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:08
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Cordelia Chase
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You can judge the quality of the message by the number of calls to shoot the messanger.


Good point. Look at all the hatred being poured out on the President and Steve Bannon for just telling it like it is. Sad!
3-ducks
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:11
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Surely the Remain campaign could find someone with more appeal than a lot of tedious Foreign Office-type octogenarian Tory dinosaurs, who may or may not still be alive?

What about Cleggers? Tbf he's got the charisma, he's reasonably well-known to people of all ages. Or Chukka?
3-ducks
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:13
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No disrespect intended towards Lord Patten (mentioned above), who's a very fine statesman. But come on, it's the 21st century.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:16
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Brad's big donger
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What that pro-remain alliance looked like on 9 June 2016:


John Major's party won more votes at a general election in 1992 than any other government before or since.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:17
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3-ducks
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Surely the Remain campaign could find someone with more appeal than a lot of tedious Foreign Office-type octogenarian Tory dinosaurs, who may or may not still be alive?


My point was that if B/lair is getting involved as an elder statesman, it should be a cross-party effort. I don't actually believe that elder statesmen are the most effective salesmen for Remain.

What about Cleggers? Tbf he's got the charisma, he's reasonably well-known to people of all ages. Or Chukka?

Yeah, that's the way to win over Leave voters. Appoint a black man to head up the cause.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:18
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Hi, Tony here. I think I'm a pretty straight sort of guy. So, I'm going to give it to you straight. I seem to feel the hand of history on my shoulders. And since this is no time for sound bites, here it is. In a pretty straight sort of way.

In foreign policy terms, I am unquestionably the worst leader this country has had since Eden. That's why the people should listen to me on things like this. After all, I am the Peoples' PM.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:28
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Sigh of the Oppressed
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Hi, Tony here. I think I'm a pretty straight sort of guy. So, I'm going to give it to you straight. I seem to feel the hand of history on my shoulders. And since this is no time for sound bites, here it is. In a pretty straight sort of way.


Satire is an awfully difficult form, isn't it?
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:32
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Hi, Tony B here again.

Now look, this Brexit silliness is causing tensions across the UK and across Europe itself. We need conflict resolution We need a leader with experience of such things.

Perhaps you'll allow me to recommend someone? A statesman of world renown maybe? A man with a proven record and a light touch in international affairs?

Who better then, than the outstandingly successful Middle East Peace Envoy? The man who, with a minimum of fuss or fanfare reconciled Arabs and Israelis? You git to hand it to me, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine. I bring peace, harmony and prosperity wherever I go.
3-ducks
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:36
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Eh? Apart from a handful of racists, who cares about that? And aren't most racists Remainers anyway? The whole White Europe thing etc. Besides, Chukka's a very persuasive advocate.


ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:17
Yeah, that's the way to win over Leave voters. Appoint a black man to head up the cause.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:42
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Not everyone's a colour-blind multiculturalist like you, ducks.
94 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:44
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Reggie's right. Have you seen those racists all winning elections in Poland, France, the Netherlands, Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria, Germany and Sweden, inter alia?
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:44
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Reg: I take it you mean butcher B.lair is beyond satire?

In fact, I'm sure that's what you mean,

You could get on telly with apercus like that. Ever fancied being on telly, Reg. As an historian, like?
94 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:54
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History Today?
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 11:55
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311 Sleeps To Christmas
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Reggie's right. Have you seen those racists all winning elections in Poland, France, the Netherlands, Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria, Germany and Sweden, inter alia?


Tbf they didn't win in Austria or Sweden. Let's not exaggerate. And France and Germany are still up for grabs.
94 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 February 2017 12:06
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Reggie, Sweden Democrats came third in percentage in 2014 elections and keep topping polls now. Admittedly their elections are not until next year, but they have 20 MPs.

Freedom Party of Austria has 40 seats in their National Council (out of 183). on 20% of the vote in 2013. After the Presidential election the chances of that going down in next year's elections are slim to zero.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 12:15
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Yes, hence my use of the words "didn't win".
94 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 February 2017 12:17
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ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 February 2017 12:27
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No, sorry, I'm not in the predictions game.