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Parsnip
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:32
it means non-partner, or associate

it doesnt mean partner
Back to Cyprian :)
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:39
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It means PRESTIGE

3-ducks
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:42
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I have Sandwich Artist as part of my job title. What's your point exactly?
Terence Brent D'arby
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:43
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It means they are being beasted and they have to do marketing in their spare time.
Queenie E
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:45
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Depends on the firm. Usually, it means you are in effect treated as a salaried partner and on track for equity partnership.It's a way of keeping experienced senior associates happy.
Back to Cyprian :)
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:47
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remember when we laughed at "senior associate" as a job title back in the 90s? You were an associate or a partner.

Now we'll soon see a 28 year track to partnership like this:
Trainee, solicitor-Associate, Associate, Senior Associate, Managing Associate, Legal Director, of Counsel, Associate Partner, Senior Associate Partner, Managing Associate Partner, Junior Partner, Partner, Senior Partner, Super Senior Partner.
Queenie E
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:48
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Heh. What Cyp said.
Parsnip
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:50
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"associate" means "not a" unless the suffix is Solicitor

Associate Director = not a director
associate partner = not a partner
shatner's_bassoon
Posted - 16 February 2017 11:59
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It reminds me of The Office:

Tim: Team Leader don't mean anything mate.
Gareth: Excuse me, it means I'm leader of a team.
Tim: No it doesn't. It's a title someone's given you to get you to do something they don't want to do for free - it's like making the div kid at school milk monitor. No one respects it.
Gareth: I think they do.
Tim: No they don't Gareth.
Gareth: Erm yes they do, cos if people were rude to me then I used to give them their milk last... so it was warm.
Chambers
Posted - 16 February 2017 13:54
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I know a law firm where there are now seven or eight managing partners and two or three senior partners (same office). They have either given up on this nonsense or gone down the IB route.
King Canute the Great
Posted - 16 February 2017 14:07
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I understand why law firms have the salaried partner rank. Highly competent and driven lawyers who, although they are still only paid a salary. have equity partner charge out rates.

Clients - although they can guess or, if genuinely interested, ask - don't know if "their" partner is a salaried or an equity one. This is a great arrangement for law firms.

What I don't understand is why you'd water down the badge by using terms such as associate partner (a title I don't think any decent shop uses) or local partner (i.e. not income or equity but good enough for the relevant local jurisdiction in central asia). I don't see the benefit (for the actual law firm partners) in doing this.
boombastic
Posted - 16 February 2017 14:26
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"I don't see the benefit (for the actual law firm partners) in doing this."

An HR ploy to beat down remuneration when taking on laterals?
Keith Talent
Posted - 16 February 2017 17:52
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One of my former shops used this title. Truly awful choice of words I always thought, which reflected pretty accurately on what a truly awful place it was.
Strueth
Posted - 18 February 2017 14:37
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Has anyone come across any good titles for a rung between Senior Associate and Salaried Partner?

minkie
Posted - 18 February 2017 16:13
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I think of the word associate as an adjective rather than a noun so maybe associate partner is just the correct term. But ofc tells you everything you need to know about the holder of such a title.
Strueth
Posted - 20 February 2017 23:13
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I agree, but won't use the term partner for non partners

It's a tricky one...
lawlyerly
Posted - 20 February 2017 23:14
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I've seen some firms use "managing associate" just before partner.
Strueth
Posted - 20 February 2017 23:15
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Yep - that's the nearest we've got but still sounds carp
Third Half
Posted - 20 February 2017 23:57
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I once worked with a bloke who was hauled up for using the title "Paralegal" on correspondence when his actual title was 'Trainee Paralegal". Used it after being told not to. Bang. Sacked in front of us all.
Strueth
Posted - 21 February 2017 15:58
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Wow. Would he have been OK with Paraparalegal?!
Captain Mal
Posted - 21 February 2017 16:22
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Trainee, Associate, Partner.

There shouldn't be any need for more than these three*. The idea of solicitors getting excited by shiny bauble titles is a bit demeaning IMHO.




* and when I were a lad they were the only three on offer unless you wanted to opt in to being an Assistant instead of the, at the time, somewhat vulgar Americanism of "Associate"