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213 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 21 April 2017 14:57
God, does she ever stop?

I bet her (third) husband is happy she's out of the house.
213 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:04
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She'll be oblivious to their criticism, rock solid in her self-righteousness.
213 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:07
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And I'm free to criticise her.
old git roundabout
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:11
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they did indeed. Biggest attention seeker since Horlick.
diceman
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:14
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I wouldn't mind being a millionaire former model.

she should stand for the lib dems


old git roundabout
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:25
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they're probably still anxiously waiting for the Emergency Budget
213 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:29
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Threatened? Is she actually standing somewhere then?
213 sleeps till Christmas
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:29
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old git roundabout
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they're probably still anxiously waiting for the Emergency Budget

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Heh!
Keef_
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:43
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A brilliant, brave and inspirational woman.

I look forward to her Gong being item 1 on the agenda of the Lib Dem \ SNP \ What's left of Labour coalition government come June 9th.
Weally Been
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:53
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She ought to stand as an MP

Anything else just seems like s h I t stirring
Weally Been
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:23
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The anti federalist brigade might not be your cup of tea but they were bona fide politicians on the most part unlike Gina Miller or even someone like Alastair Campbell (same applies to him too - stand as a politician if you want anyone to take your political view as anything other than in his case pointers about PR and spin)
Weally Been
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:30
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Why?
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:30
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Anna, you need a wider audience. Were that possible we might get leave into 60% or even 70%.
Patience Groove
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:30
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Nothing to add other than to observe Anna is absolutely storming this thread
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:31
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Anna is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 15:46


I don't think criticising someone necessarily means you feel threatened by them. But play the ball, not the man (or woman, as the case may be).

Does that explain why you are for-ever describing people who voted to leave as racist, thick, old, ill-educated, scum but above all, so much less intelligent than you constantly declare yourself to be? That's playing the ball? Mmm, I must try it. It looks great fun.

PS, were the likes of Tony Benn and Michael Foot "frothing righttards" and was the Labour Party's 1983 manifesto commitment to leave the Community an example of racism?
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:36
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FAOD nobody who actually understood economics suggested remaining. Nor could anyone who actually understood economics. You seem to be another bien-pensant thicko.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:37
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Most did.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:40
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I'm pretty sure this isn't true:

FAOD nobody who actually understood economics suggested remaining
old git roundabout
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:41
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opposite of racist. They wanted mainly white migrants from the EU to be treated the same as migrants from elsewhere.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:42
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I'm pretty sure it is.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:46
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Annakins: I didn't say you had said they were all al of those things. I was asking you about something utterly different. I was asking how you might reconcile the fact that so many of YOUR posts are ad hominem and yet you can post "But play the ball, not the man (or woman, as the case may be)."

I was also curious to know whether you think the Labour Party in 1983 was full of "frothing rightards" (great to see you avoiding insult, as ever).
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:48
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The British have always been wary of continental entanglements, and for very good reason. They are usually a disaster, as is the EU. If you want to live in a truly free-trading, truly capitalist, open and clean country, you simply can't remain a member of the EU. You're welcome to your delusions, Anna, but the rest of us have moved on.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:56
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I was also curious to know whether you think the Labour Party in 1983 was full of "frothing rightards" (great to see you avoiding insult, as ever).

No, but the 1983 Labour manifesto was written by the loony left, who hate the EU for their own reasons.

It's nothing to be proud of to be an extremist of either variety.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:58
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It has suffered very considerably as a result of joining the EU.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:58
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If you want to live in a truly free-trading, truly capitalist, open and clean country, you simply can't remain a member of the EU.

That's not what the enemies of capitalism say.

Tony Benn: "The European Union is the only state in the world with capitalism written into its constitution."
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:00
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Brad's big donger
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:42 Report as offensive Report Offensive
Well, we've seen your efforts and we know what side you were on Reggie. Would a scatter graph help you see it better?


Yes please!

I'll put it with the others: http://mediotutissimus.blogspot.com/2017/01/why-did-people-vote-leave.html
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:01
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Anna is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:59 Report as offensive Report Offensive
"cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:58
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It has suffered very considerably as a result of joining the EU."

#alternativefacts



No, I think he's right. It's a well known fact that the United Kingdom's GDP has declined pretty consistently since 1973.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:03
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Brad's big donger
Posted - 21 April 2017 16:41 Report as offensive Report Offensive
It was that thick old racist scumbag Albert Einstein who said the definition of insanity is making the same slurs over and over again, but expecting a different result


Mad old Al said a few interesting things. Here's one of them. I think he said it when he was offered the post of first President of Israel:

"Nationalism is an infantile sickness. It is the measles of the human race."

He had quite a way with words, didn't he!
Siegfreid
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:04
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Yikes - we have on our hands here a real dunce.

The economy of the UK had recovered from being outside of the EEC by 1995, so it took about two decades to undo the damage.

Germany has done even better. That's the rub: envy.

cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:04
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Great soundbites Reggie. You ought to be a politician.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:05
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yes, I think so too!
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:07
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We do indeed have a real dunce on our hands.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:10
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Btw women and men voted Leave in roughly equal numbers, with one exception: young adult women had a pronounced leaning to Remain which was (even) bigger than that of young adult men.
sporting_zucchini
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:11
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I want to know who Gina Miller's real financial backers are, not just 5000 deluded crowd funders.

I suspect that there are some billionaire tax dodgers involved in this anti-Brexit movement who prefer to remain anonymous to avoid a backlash to their business interests, and let it be fronted by an expendable woman who has already taken some flak from Brexiteers for the UKSC case.

I can guess at least one of them.

Ironically she probably helped the Brexit camp and T May PM get their act together. First by forcing T May to satisfy the consitutional requirement in Art 50 so the validity of the trigger notice is certain, and second by establishing via the UKSC that the Scots Welsh and Northern Irish devolved assemblies don't have a constitutional say in the eventual Brexit agreement.

Result!
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:11
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Just to show that this isn't an alternative fact, here is the evidence: https://www.statista.com/statistics/567922/distribution-of-eu-referendum-votes-by- age-and-gender-uk/
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:12
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Rather like battered wife syndrome isn't it. They decide to stay even though it's no good for them.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:14
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sporting_zucchini
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I want to know who Gina Miller's real financial backers are, not just 5000 deluded crowd funders.


I suspect Mr Soros and other cosmopolitan financial interests will be behind her somewhere. They're fighting the same fight everywhere: in the US against President Trump's pro-American policies, and in the UK in favour of the globalist elite.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:24
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Anna: attacks on people for being old, or ill-educated are entirely ad hominem. You do this. And yet you object to those who disagree with you politically doing it.

I didn't ask you to "answer for" the Labour Party. Nor do I see why your age is relevant. What I asked is whether the Labour Party were "frothing rightards (or, for that matter or any of the other insults you liberally bestow on so many millions).
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:26
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Having said all of that, Gina Miller. Phwoar. I wouldn't want to exit her in a hurry!
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:29
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Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:24 Report as offensive Report Offensive
Anna: attacks on people for being old, or ill-educated are entirely ad hominem.


Talking your own book there, I see, Hal.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:29
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ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:01

No, I think he's right. It's a well known fact that the United Kingdom's GDP has declined pretty consistently since 1973.

Reg - great use of sarcasm. It would be even better if you can name any country in the world which doesn't have a higher GDP than it had in 1973. (Zimbabwe? I can't be bothered to check, but if so, hey, that's Socialism for you)
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:30
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Reg - great use of sarcasm. It would be even better if you can name any country in the world which doesn't have a higher GDP than it had in 1973. (Zimbabwe? I can't be bothered to check, but if so, hey, that's Socialism for you)

East Timor (didn't exist in 1973). Probably North Korea. Why do you ask?
sporting_zucchini
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:31
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"And the ultra-rich tax-dodging owners of the tabloid press were entirely balanced and neutral throughout the referendum campaign."

Glad you spotted that the Daily Mail supported Leave (yet kept attacking Farage and UKIP at every opportunity) while the Mail on Sunday supported Remain.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:32
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ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:29
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Sigh of the Oppressed
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Anna: attacks on people for being old, or ill-educated are entirely ad hominem.

Talking your own book there, I see, Hal.

Umm, Mx Reg, I wasn't the one attacking people for being ad hominem ...

#Reg missing the point entirely.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:33
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You're experimenting with hashtags now?!

I think there aren't supposed to be any spaces in them.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:38
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ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:30
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Reg - great use of sarcasm. It would be even better if you can name any country in the world which doesn't have a higher GDP than it had in 1973. (Zimbabwe? I can't be bothered to check, but if so, hey, that's Socialism for you)

East Timor (didn't exist in 1973). Probably North Korea. Why do you ask?

Because you were either:

1. Making an utterly irrelevant (and incomprehensible) remark; or

2. Implying that the rise is the UK's GDP was a consequence of membership.

Your call.

PS You know, I actually thought about specifying countries which had existed in 1973. Then I thought "Nah, no need to add that. Even Mx Reg wouldn't stoop so low." I love it when I over-estimate you.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:40
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ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:33
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You're experimenting with hashtags now?!

I think there aren't supposed to be any spaces in them.

Typical fvcking authoritarian Socialist as usual. Even trying to dictate how workers like me space our electrons.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:42
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Because you were either:

1. Making an utterly irrelevant (and incomprehensible) remark; or

2. Implying that the rise is the UK's GDP was a consequence of membership.

Your call.


No, I was responding to another poster who was unwise enough to say that our economy had suffered since we joined.

Btw you also can't defend that comment on the basis that it really meant that the economy had suffered compared to a counterfactual alternative because you're Halifax and thsi is a classic case of how-could-you-possibly-know etc etc.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:50
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ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:42
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No, I was responding to another poster who was unwise enough to say that our economy had suffered since we joined.

Yes Mx Reg, I get that. Which is why I invited you to name a country that hadn't seen increased GDP.

Your response did nothing to counter his claim. Suppose we have had X% growth, but could have had X+Y% growth if we hadn't joined?

I like the cut of this Halifax geezer's jib.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:52
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The UK economy would have done vastly better had the UK not joined the EEC, EC, EU. There's nothing intelligent about Anna's position at all. She represents the mainstream opinions of people who haven't actually thought about the issue at all, as she herself clearly hasn't. Simply a dummy parroting the nonsense that's been fed to her. Pointless, really.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:52
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Your response did nothing to counter his claim. Suppose we have had X% growth, but could have had X+Y% growth if we hadn't joined?

See my second paragraph above. The original claim didn't phrase it as a counterfactual, but in any case you never allow counterfactual arguments to be run so I'm not allowing you to run one here.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:52
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I don't think dummies parrot things. Those are two different metaphors.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:54
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Congratulations
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:56
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...and celebrations....
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 17:56
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Come on Hal, you're a Cliff Richard fan if anyone is!
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 21 April 2017 18:03
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Mx Reg: your second para didn't go to the point - see my use of "Suppose". I'm not asserting that something happened, I'm pointing out that your argument is open to an obvious, albeit unprovable, objection (which puts it in the same category as any assertion that the UK has done better/worse as a result of membership.

Give it up Reg, you're a broken doll.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 18:05
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Definitely wouldn't want to 'withdraw' from Gina Miller! She'd get the full BREXIT m8s.
Siegfreid
Posted - 21 April 2017 18:07
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England would have won the world cup lots of times if it had played better football.
Siegfreid
Posted - 21 April 2017 18:07
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a troll
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 18:22
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I would totally do her. You know that I would.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 18:53
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Wouldn't mind a bit of tariff-free access there!
Jon Snow
Posted - 21 April 2017 19:07
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Oh look - it's another Alt-righter who can't get a woman to touch his willy.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 19:20
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Alt-righter? Alt-right her! Cor, she'd get it right in the Schengen area!
Jon Snow
Posted - 21 April 2017 19:49
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The mask slips?? Isn't it common knowledge he's a revolting little misogynist (with the emphasis on little)?