I'm slightly confused by this - are the idiots moaning on the Mens' Rights sites self-identifying as betas and therefore annoyed that women won't have the sechs with them because they are on the 'c0ck carousel' with all the alphas?

Or are they saying that they need to behave like alphas in order to get the sechs which is where all the PUA stuff kicks in?

I think the ones on the websites are the ones who didn't really understand PUA and failed to make it work for them.

The basic rules are

Go to the gym or take some form of exercise so you look healthy

Don't be a doormat

Ask women out

All the rest is jargon.

The whole thing was developed by nerdy, "beta" and "omega" guys ;who couldn't get laid and worked out a system to help them. Their "analysis" needed a language so they created a jargon and from that a way of thinking that led to the "red pill philosophy". Instead of accepting that they were perpetuating a sort of psychological fraud on the women they met in order to appear confident (also known as "fake it till you make it") they thought that they had discovered profound eternal knowledge about "the nature of women" and familliarity bred contempt.

If only they could step back a bit they'd see it. Lots of women like fit blokes who like a laugh. And yes, there are plenty of exceptions but if you want an ONS with a random then being fit and healthy and having a laugh is a good place to start.

oh THAT

here we call it the phallic ferris wheel

Here you go Clergs. It's safe for work.

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/manosphere-myths-cock-carousel.html

is the use of these terms by men to describe other men

Surely it's the use to describe yourself that is the red flag. Calling yourself an alpha male is automatically self-defeating. If it was true, you wouldn't need to say it.

As a woman I find them very prescient way of assessing men and their characters

In my varied experience (wasahaaay) men are either alpha or beta

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Posted - 21 April 2017 12:32 Report as offensive Report Offensive
As a woman I find them very prescient way of assessing men and their characters

In my varied experience (wasahaaay) men are either alpha or beta

But alpha and beta are perceived differently by different women. They are not universal qualities. A pale guy with skinny legs and a book of poetry under his arm might be anathema to you but the stuff of hot erotic dreams to another. That's what makes these definitions kind of useless.

I thought the whole alpha/beta thing relates to how men interact amongst themselves, not with women.

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Posted - 21 April 2017 12:32
As a woman I find them very prescient way of assessing men and their characters


You slept with IG. You have no credibility on that front.

Not all men Hools. Just the lazy ones who like indulging in stereotypes because they can't be bothered to think.

Seriously, how much a loser to have to be to buy into this stuff.

I mean you must be absolutely useless if you have to come up with pseudoscientific theories as to why you can't get laid.

There's a reason why women don't like you. it is because you are a dickhead.

'Funny how all the liberal "feminists" are the ones who've spent so much time researching this.'

I'd hardly call 20 minute laughing at these losers 'research'.

Actually Sergio I think there were sound reasons behind it. These were lonely people who tended to be science geeks and hence were into the internet. They used their science knowledge to go out and research, to experiment on what worked and didn't work in terms of attracting women. They shared the results of those experiments on the internet. They called it field research and they shared the results of their research with each other. Unfortunately the scientific method when applied to human beings is not very reliable. It is a fact, for instance, that a great many psychology experiments are not repeatable - or at least do not have the same results every time when repeated.

The nerds realised that something awasn't working but sadly concluded that it was women rather than their philosophy. Also, by that time the research and experimentation aspect had been overtaken by the dissemination of the information that came from the results. The PUA ideas had become marketable and were no longer restricted to science geeks but had spread to sad and frustrated loners everywhere. They added their own prejudices and personal bugbears and the result is the mishmash of hatred and inadequacy that you see today.

I think in some ways the first experimenters were quite brave. This is before the PUAs who managed to become names or sell books. I mean the ones who started the first forums and went out in the very beginning to try to approach and talk to women and just see what happened and report on it. These were guys who had little or no experience talking to women who weren't family members. They were probably terrified at first and could only ever have done it by thinking of it as scientific research rather than as trying to meet a woman.

But it was a bit like giving a gorilla a radio. Even if they get it to work you know it's going to get smashed to shlt before long.

Another sad consequence of the application of the experimental model is the growth of the myth that men are rational and women are not. The strict scientific method includes the idea that the experimenter has an effect on the experiment. These guys did not. They assumed they were a controlled variable and that they remained the same under all circumstances.

They did not stop for self-analysis or examination beyond what they might have done to make the interaction better. They didn't do any self-analysis. They believed the scientific method was beyond question because it had always worked for them in other aspect of their lives. And besides - they didn't know anything else.

Flawed experiment = flawed results.

Ooops.

probably like the last woman that you tried to pull

McLovin - you are talking to a hoot, no?

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Posted - 21 April 2017 15:15 Report as offensive Report Offensive
You seem to think men and women are the same

And this is the perfect example of wooly thinking from the "rational" meninist.

I'm not saying a hoot is a scientist. In fact I suspect he probably isn't. However the problem with the post is that we don't even know who he's talking to never mind what has prompted him to draw his conclusion. To begin to engage with him would involve eliciting that information and frankly it's hard work. A brief reading of his posts quickly leads to the conclusion that he's not worth the effort.

It's one of those moments when you think how stupid the average person is and then realise that although it's not strictly an accurate assessment it's an easy leap to think that half the population is more stupid than that.

HEH @ bringing up J17

But yes, it's that kind of thinking.

No I didn't read link - just googled general PUA and it lead me on. Finished now - have no desire to engage or have my brain infected by such hate. I suppose one good thing is all the losers hang out online a lot and are therefore not interacting in real life. But so sad they are so hateful and deluded.

We did have Mexico for a while Soto but it was a lot of upkeep for a place you only use for a few weekends a year. Plus it was too damned big. We never used more than half the rooms even when we had guests. Neighbours are a bit weird too.