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Wangpain for real ale
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:08
I am on the side of your second para tbh. It's not like any of them will use the vote. I also think they should be allowed to drink in a pub
Cyprian
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:11
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Inebriated 16 year olds in your local, creepy much.?

3-ducks
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:13
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Age of drinking should be lowered to 16 (14 if with parents); age of consent should be lowered to 15 (but only with 16 year olds); age of military service to 16; age of voting raised to 25.
Coracle Lolling
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:13
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There's even a case to be made for saying that the old age of 21 should be restored.

How about removing votes from pensioners?
3-ducks
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:14
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Also introduce prop quals and a literacy test.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:15
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Coracle Lolling
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:13

How about removing votes from pensioners?

Meaning Corbyn couldn't vote?
3-ducks
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:16
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LOL
3-ducks
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:17
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Pros of raising the voting age: we'd get perpetual Conservative government

Cons: we'd never have had Brexit. Oh well, too late now!
3-ducks
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:17
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I mean introducing property qualifications, not raising the voting age.
Wangpain for real ale
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:21
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Cyp if u didnt have your first pint in a pub before you were 15 i'll eat my own arse.

My old man took me and my m7 Dave for a pint when we were 16 after our exams. Bless the old fella he thought it was a landmark moment but Dave ruined it by saying "Not a Courage Best, I prefer the directors like theyvserve at the wheatsheaf" and we had to confess we'd been going every friday night for 2 years...
Cyprian
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:22
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Drink in pubs at Landlord's discretion and with parent from aged 16.

Vote from 16.

A doctor's certificate required to permit over 70s to vote.
Cyprian
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:24
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In a pub with my mate Dave on Paddy's - pint of Guinness. Was vile. I was just shy of 15.

With my old man, was 16, going on 17. Over in this country. Was carling. Was even more vile.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:26
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These reminiscences are like dialogue from the sh1ttest Alan Bennett play ever.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:28
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ducks, what should the property qualification be?
Cyprian
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:31
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3bed semi in Guildford, or better (as determined by any journalist from the Daily Heil on value grounds (as that's the only DM metric that counts)).
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:33
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Have you got a semi, ducks?
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:55
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Duxy arguing for lowering the age of consent non-shocka.
Third Half
Posted - 20 April 2017 19:39
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Reggie, Britain does not send soldiers into combat at age 16 or 17 (minimum age is 18).
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 19:42
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Is that right? Well, they can at least join the armed forces.
Lordgaga
Posted - 21 April 2017 00:39
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Twinkle twinkle little wang
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Cyp if u didnt have your first pint in a pub before you were 15 i'll eat my own arse.

My old man took me and my m7 Dave for a pint when we were 16 after our exams. Bless the old fella he thought it was a landmark moment but Dave ruined it by saying "Not a Courage Best, I prefer the directors like theyvserve at the wheatsheaf" and we had to confess we'd been going every friday night for 2 years...


Which Dave was this? David Brent??

You get alot of that round ere cos it's the main brewery in Reading... what's the brewery in Swindon...huh...one at a time you'll get more out of it in the long run I promise you that...I forgot what I was saying now that;s what happens when you...courage
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 03:45
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All of this stuff should be 18. 18 is the end of school and a coming of age moment. 16 is far too young. We don't want children deciding elections. It's no wonder only the idiotic parties support this idea.
Mr Hargreaves
Posted - 21 April 2017 08:36
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if you're old enough to pay tax you're old enough to vote
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 09:49
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No-one has yet questioned the basic premise that there should be a single age.

Why not say that you get a vote when you first start paying income tax?
Coracle Lolling
Posted - 21 April 2017 09:57
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Reg - presumably you'd also want to also remove the right to vote when they stop paying income tax as well
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:02
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No. Once someone has the vote, I think it's wrong in principle to take it away (short of insanity or imprisonment), as well as very difficult to administer in practice.
old git roundabout
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:09
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onl;y someone with child like naivete would vote for them, so I see the logic
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:11
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I'm quite happy to disenfranchise students. I paid no income tax until I was 27 and I completely accept that a 16-year-old stacking shelves in Tesco was making more of a constructive contribution to society than me.

You'd have to have exceptions for disabled people, of course.

I'm playing devil's advocate, obviously, but these issues are worth thinking about.

I'd take issue with your final paragraph because general elections aren't the only elections.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:12
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old git roundabout
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onl;y someone with child like naivete would vote for them, so I see the logic


Good point. It takes maturity and judgement to conclude that the country should be entrusted to the hands of, er, Ukip.....
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:18
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differently from
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:19
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Tbf I am playing devil's advocate here. Having said that, I think the injustice would be greater to low earners who are earning under the income tax threshold than to students. Students should not be allowed to have political opinions (I was in CUCA).
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:25
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I think on balance that the voting age should be 16 on the basis that you can do most other things at that age: leave school, get a full time job, get married, join the army and drink (under certain circs). Smoking used to be 16 too. If we've decided as a society that 16 is old enough for the other stuff, it's an anomaly not to change the voting age too.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:35
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Students might be young and idealistic, but in general their political opinions are far less stupid than some I have seen from people in their 50s and 60s in the run up to the referendum (and since).

Yes, there is that.
Obadiah Hakeswill
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:38
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"no taxation without representation"

And, as an obvious corollary, no representation without taxation.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 10:51
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That doesn't work logically. Taxation might be a sufficient, but not necessary, condition for representation.