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People who can but don't vaccinate are mad
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misshoolie
Posted - 19 March 2017 11:35
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/no-jab-no-play-graveyards-tell-countless- stories-of-how-nowpreventable-diseases-stalked-children/news-story/f85aa3b89a9fd443ea 5c0d6d94c21dab

Susan Marggraff would never take a risk with vaccinations for her four children. That’s because Mrs Marggraff has always known of a great family tragedy: a terrible fortnight in 1891 when her great-grandmother May Adams lost seven of her siblings within a devastating fortnight on the family property outside Wagga Wagga. The children, aged between 18 and five, all caught diphtheria and died, along with a kindly neighbour, Mrs Wright, who came to help parents William and Elizabeth Adams care for their sick children.

“I couldn’t imagine the suffering they went through,” Ms Marggraff said.
Lydia
Posted - 19 March 2017 11:45
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It should remain voluntary but I certainly think it's only fair on other people's children if you risk damage to your own so even if there were a risk to mine through it that is worth risking for the benefit of others.
saoirse99
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:15
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Did i post before that my dad wasn't vaccinated until i was born?

His dad knew some kids who died after being vaccinated (i think they used live viruses more in those days but to be perfectly honest i also believe they were happy to experiment on working class children in those days so who knows what they actually got). Weird to think about.

Faod i am fully vaccinated so am allowed on the swings.
saoirse99
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:15
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I'm going to change that to roundabout
Monkeygirkl
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:22
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No Lydia it should not remain voluntary. I don't actually understand the rest of your post.
misshoolie
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:23
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Early vaccination must have been a scary prospect. Jenner faced the death penalty if he'd fucked up his smallpox idea (and tbf yes that was arrogant)

It's massively fannyish now not to tho
saoirse99
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:24
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Given that it's an invasive medical procedure that can have negative side effects, it has to be voluntary
saoirse99
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:27
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Yeah, polio ffs

Do parents whose kids contract something awful get prosecuted ever? I feel like they should.

Despite also thinking the prophylaxis should be voluntary.
misshoolie
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:28
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I think the whole no jab no play thing in Australia is v problematic. Because whilst I agree with it in theory, the kind of people who are anti vaxx are also likely to be anti mainstream medicine and education, so the child just slips further under the radar and ends up being one of those poor little sods whose mother tries to cure its cancer with bleach enemas or similar lunacy
The Darce
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:33
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Am I right in thinking Uk still doesn't vaccinate vs chicken pox?

Reason why I think it's odd-it is vaccinated against in eg USA- is the varicella Zoey's virus is a nasty little one and many people suffer shingles from it later in life which can cause all sorts of complications
The Darce
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:35
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Zosta
saoirse99
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:37
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Apparently exposure is better because (a) the vaccine isn't proven to give lifelong immunity and (b) the people who aren't immunised for whatever reason (not always parental refusal) are then more likely to contract it as adults and it's really bad in adulthood.
Monkeygirkl
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:39
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Consent is of course voluntary but the consequence of not vaccinating should be (as our Federal government is now considering) not permitting children to attend day care, kindy and school. Various States here already have this policy.

That children die of whooping cough in this country is unfathomable. Recently a 6 week old baby died from it. She was exposed at the day care centre her sibling attended. Six (!) unvaccinated children at the day care centre had it, but it was the early cough stage so no diagnoses had been made and therefore no warnings had been sent out. The baby caught it when attending with mum to collect sibling, and died of a ruptured lung.

The problem with the anti-vaccers is that some of them have developed a fixed belief about the issue that won't be shifted, but perhaps others of them will understand the seriousness of their decision if their children have to be isolated from the mainstream.
The Darce
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:44
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Ultimately it's selfish .. we could take that approach and herd immunity would be lost .... my mother had measles in the 1930s and was nearly blinded in one eye and had a heart murmur afterwards (actually that could have been rheumatic fever ) but anyhow
Lydia
Posted - 19 March 2017 12:49
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My post is not that hard to understand - that even if there is a risk to your child's health you go ahead with the vaccination for the greater good as we need x% vaccinated to reduce the risk of outbreaks.

Chicken pox and measles as we all know are very different. Most of us will have had a measles vaccine but caught chickenpox when small.
🐝 buzz
Posted - 19 March 2017 13:15
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Lydia, Your initial post was unmitigated gibberish.
Betty
Posted - 19 March 2017 13:17
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I agree with no jab no play. Hope they bring it in here and I hope that it gets the numbers back where they need to be.
Didgeridon't
Posted - 19 March 2017 17:18
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Agree with no jab no play also.

I used to work with an anti-vaccer. Her view was "other children should have it to keep the herd immunity up, but no way I am risking my child having the vaccinations". She actually justified it on the grounds that she would be a bad mother if she didnt put her kid first like this. It was astonishing. The only reply would be "well, I hope it's your child who gets the bad measles and not one who is too young to get the vaccine yet", but obviously you can't say that to a mother. Even if the mother is a khunt.
jolijohn
Posted - 19 March 2017 17:39
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I had whooping cough last year

Still coughing stuff up
Excession
Posted - 19 March 2017 20:34
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Both my kids were booked in for their NAME jabs at 13 months (the earliest they could have them).
Both of them caught Measles at 12 months thanks to cretinous yummy mummies at nursery believing the kittens fed to them by the Daily Mail.

If I meet an anti vaxxer they will get 's abuse from me.
If I ever met Melanie fking Phillips she would get two slaps. hard!
Excession
Posted - 19 March 2017 20:35
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MMR jabs obviously.
Oh and I would have no issue at all pointing out both the stupidity and the selfishness if any fker who dared spout that kittens in front of me.
saoirse99
Posted - 19 March 2017 20:38
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What specifically are they worried about? Is it the autism thing?
Excession
Posted - 19 March 2017 20:46
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It can remain voluntary but no child benefit and no public provision of education (or publicly funded contribution towards it) for the child unless they can show its had its jabs.
Excession
Posted - 19 March 2017 20:47
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It can remain voluntary but no child benefit and no public provision of education (or publicly funded contribution towards it) for the child unless they can show its had its jabs.
saoirse99
Posted - 19 March 2017 20:52
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Like hoolie points out above that's a bit shyt for the cult kids who need access to some sanity
Excession
Posted - 20 March 2017 00:16
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Well they should be taken into care for other reasons anyway.

Brad's big donger
Posted - 20 March 2017 10:01
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Darce the chicken pox jab gives the same immunity as catching chicken pox . The risk of catching chicken pox again, or shingles, as an adult is the same.

It is routinely given in europe australia the us and other civilised places and should be in the UK but for some reason you have to go private to get it here.
🐝 buzz
Posted - 20 March 2017 10:13
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