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This so-called 'gender pay gap' thing
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275 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 March 2017 10:53
Explain something to me.

If it is a thing, a genuinely quantifiable disadvantage that kicks in when ladies reach 40 (because currently, in their 20s and 30s, ladies earn slightly more), and it is caused by deliberate discrimination and not biology/life choices, why are there so many men in the workforce?

I mean if it really is cheaper to employ a lady to do equal work in the same job as a man, why does any rapacious business owner offered a choice between the two options opt to employ a man?

Wouldn't the most profitable businesses and the ones offering owners and investors the best returns be overwhelmingly staffed by underpaid ladies?

Something doesn't add up...
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 10:54
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Try getting your information from someone other than Catherine Hakim.
Say. Joe. Priest. A.
Posted - 17 March 2017 10:56
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hanners m7, you know you asked me to flag to you where you were being a little bit (or a lot) bigoty


I am just doing my generous thing and dutifully flagging it right here for you

Trusting this meets with your approval

Sergio-o-o-o
275 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 March 2017 10:59
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It's a genuine question, Serge. It's nothing to do with bigotry. Don't be an arsehole.
275 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:00
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And here's another genuine question, for Reggie, who on earth is Catherine Hakim?
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:04
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I don't believe for a moment that you don't know already, but she is an antifeminist sociologist who has made a career out of writing stuff like the OP. Oddly enough, Lydia quite likes her.
Say. Joe. Priest. A.
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:04
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no it isn't, it's a leading question

and you know full well you're not going to accept anything other than the answer you have decided, which is why it's bigoted

which you also know full well
Coracle Lolling
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:04
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Is Hanners parodying himself here to show he has a sense of humour because he was pwned over Brexit satire?
º¿º
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:05
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They won't answer the question. There must be a reason and evidence of discrimination against women but they won't let you know what it is. It's a secret. Just like the reason why women being over represented in the nursing profession isn't because of discrimination against men. Only the elite like the above two are allowed to know. Keep quiet or you'll be called a bigot. Oh...
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:06
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Just like the reason why women being over represented in the nursing profession isn't because of discrimination against men

Interestingly, men were actively welcomed into nursing by women because of a perception that it would raise the status of the profession. Let that sink in for a moment.

And nobody's saying that precisely 50% of nurses will ever be men, any more than 50% of SAS commandos will be women. That's an imbecilic caricature of feminism.
Say. Joe. Priest. A.
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:07
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no panda, you are called a bigot because you are one, not because you keep quiet
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:08
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Interesting that the female posters are treating this thread with the contempt it deserves.

Maybe they know stuff about this subject that Hanners doesn't.
º¿º
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:10
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That's an imbecilic analogy. Women don't make up 50% of the SAS because of physical ability issues. What biological factors prevent men from making up 50% of nurses?
SumoKing
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:11
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is this serious or does hanners just work in some sort of timeless world with a job that pays lock step with no negotiation?
275 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:11
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So, SK, you're saying it's because ladies are bad negotiators?
º¿º
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:12
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Says the man who claims that a middle eastern person's bigotry is mitigated because everyone around him is also a bigot
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:14
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That's an imbecilic analogy. Women don't make up 50% of the SAS because of physical ability issues. What biological factors prevent men from making up 50% of nurses?


If you really think that men are victims of sex discrimination in nursing, don't bother replying because my cretin tolerance today is lower than usual. I've already said why this is a completely inapt example.
º¿º
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:16
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Well you missed the point innit
SumoKing
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:18
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you asked why would an employer hire a man if a woman was cheaper, my suggestion is that perhaps wage levels differ over time rather than being set at recruitment and lock stepped through a career

I note you have not mentioned that old white guys are an endangered species on boards yet, can we skip ahead to that one because I have a meeting at 13.00 and will be AFK for a bit
275 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:21
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SK - "my suggestion is that perhaps wage levels differ over time rather than being set at recruitment and lock stepped through a career" - that doesn't answer the question. If you mean chaps accelerate past ladies later in their working lives for reasons other than biology/life choices, you still can't explain why businesses don't overstaff with cheaper lady workers than comparatively less profitable gentlemen.
DeadPartnerWalking
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:22
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i was told a "joke" recently which shows that attitudes generally have some way to go:

Q: What's the difference between a lady solicitor and a terrorist?




























A: You can negotiate with a terrorist.


I suspect that "joke" was created before the arrival of al-qaeda and isis etc..
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Posted - 17 March 2017 11:28
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Hang on, the gender pay gap only kicks in at 40 when women earn less than men?

What's happening for the 20 years where they're earning more than men?

I find all the stats on this incredibly nuanced issue difficult to believe, not being a statistician, but anecdotally I don't get the sense that there is any meaningful systemic bias against women any more. Maybe I don't live in the real world.
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:29
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This thread is still a discussion of women's careers and life chances conducted entirely by men.

And I'm apparently the only one who has even noticed this, let alone sees it as a problem.
275 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:31
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How do you know none of us identify as a lady? You bigot.
old git roundabout
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:31
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it's a tool used by those who want compulsory positive discrimination in women's favour. That is presently unlawful.
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Posted - 17 March 2017 11:32
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Reggie it's open for any woman to chime in. You sound unnecessarily sanctimonious. Men can have opinions on this just as women can have opinions on, yknow ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO HAVE AN OPINION.
DeadPartnerWalking
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:34
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Reggie:

"Interesting that the female posters are treating this thread with the contempt it deserves.

Maybe they know stuff about this subject that Hanners doesn't."

What do you think is driving the gendered discrepancy in response?
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:43
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Reggie it's open for any woman to chime in. You sound unnecessarily sanctimonious. Men can have opinions on this just as women can have opinions on, yknow ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO HAVE AN OPINION.


I'm not saying you're not entitled to an opinion, I'm just saying that none of the male posters here seem to have noticed that the women aren't contributing or wondered whether they might have an important perspective on this subject.

And definitely guilty to being sanctimonious. It's not as if I've ever hidden that!
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:44
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282 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:31 Report as offensive Report Offensive
How do you know none of us identify as a lady? You bigot.


I'd bet a lot of money that I'm the only man on this thread who has worn drag in public. Long story.

And I looked a lot hotter than David Walliams too.
Say. Joe. Priest. A.
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:55
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º¿º
Posted - 17 March 2017 11:12
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Says the man who claims that a middle eastern person's bigotry is mitigated because everyone around him is also a bigot


Well I didn't say that, but at least you are getting closer! Heh, you really are a festering toolbag aren't you
º¿º
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:06
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I wouldn't expect an ultra left neofascist B streamer to say anything else about me. In fact it gives me some comfort that being on the opposite side of your bigotry, ie in the centre, is the right place for a sensible person to be
bookem
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:22
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Bit macho of you to use the term "drag" Reg. For shame.

Saying you stepped out en femme is just fine. And I'm sure you looked lovely.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:31
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I AGREE WITH 282 SLEEPS TO CHRISTMAS: THERE IS NO GENDER PAY GAP.

IF WOMEN WERE WORTH THE SAME AS A MAN, THEN THEY WOULD BE HIRED BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER... BUT THEY AREN'T! THEREFORE, THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION IS THAT WOMEN ARE PAID LESS BECAUSE THEY ARE SIMPLY WORTH LESS.

ITS SCIENCE.
BREXIT!!
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:34
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"In fact it gives me some comfort that being on the opposite side of your bigotry"

OH AND HERE WE GO, THE IMMIGRANT º¿º IS WHINING ABOUT BIGOTRY

TYPICAL IMMIGRANT, NO DOUBT WANTING SPECIAL TREATMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ITS IMMIGRANT STATUS

WELL IF YOU WANT SPECIAL TREATMENT WHY DON'T YOU GO HOME TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY IMMIGRANT?
bookem
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:39
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I see shoutybrex hasn't got any more subtle or amusing in my absence...
BREXIT!!
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:41
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YOU WERE ONLY AWAY FOR 17 MINUTES
old git roundabout
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:41
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the Clown mask really has slipped, hasn't it?
bookem
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:45
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ok - that one was vaguely amusing
Barnsbury
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:51
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Why are there fewer men in the nursing profession?
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:53
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bookem
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:22 Report as offensive Report Offensive
Bit macho of you to use the term "drag" Reg. For shame.

Saying you stepped out en femme is just fine. And I'm sure you looked lovely.


Yes I did, actually.

"drag" is Polari, isn't it? Although I do appreciate that's un-PC for some people these days.
Coracle Lolling
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:53
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I'd bet a lot of money that I'm the only man on this thread who has worn drag in public.

How much?
bookem
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:57
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It is indeed. bona drag.

Just a bit ironic and rugby club these days innit. Grant Mitchell would do "drag". And he'd walk extra butch just in case anyone thought he wasn't doing it for a laff, like.
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:59
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£4.99
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:01
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bookem
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:57 Report as offensive Report Offensive
It is indeed. bona drag.

Just a bit ironic and rugby club these days innit. Grant Mitchell would do "drag". And he'd walk extra butch just in case anyone thought he wasn't doing it for a laff, like.


HEH! I had no idea.... We obviously move in different circles!
Trigger Warning
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:02
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Why is it always the stupidest questions that are the hardest to answer/explain?
Coracle Lolling
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:22
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Reg - ok, pay it to Refuge.
ReggiePerrin
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:23
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Dammit