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if we got rid of border controls
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Faoilleach99
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:21
Britain would flourish

small-minded little Britainism (a €1k annual tax for being skilled and European? fvck off) has ruined what could have been brilliant
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:25
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There wouldn't be such a thing as "Britain." If every country got rid of borders, the whole planet would be some third world sh*t shower, all speaking American English and probably living under a brutal dictator.
Brad's big donger
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:27
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3 ducks is conveniently ignoring all the other success story countries that currently have no border controls at all.
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:28
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My point is that it's all very well for the odd country to do it. If it was universal, we'd be in a whole heap of trouble.
Faoilleach99
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:29
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why?
Wellington
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:30
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I say get rid of borders but make flights into the UK about £50k a pop. Then we will only get the good forrins.
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:30
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No - then we'll just get the Russians. Fine by me, but the liberal do-gooders might balk.
Faoilleach99
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:31
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heh@wellington
SumoKing
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:38
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get rid of borders and also have state benefits kick in after 2 years working, tie them to wage, everyone is happy
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:43
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"everyone is happy"

Er...apart from the people whose jobs have been lost to a forriner.

The question of benefits is a complete red herring. A miniscule amount of money is given to benefit-seeking migrants and while it might be good Daily Mail bait, isn't really of any interest to the vast majority of people especially workers in low or semi-skilled jobs.
McLovīn
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:56
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Anyone who has lost their job to a foreigner must have been fucking useless in the first place
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:58
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Perhaps "losing one's job" was misleading. It's more a question of prospective candidates facing enhanced competition for future jobs from a bunch of extra people.
SumoKing
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:01
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3-ducks
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"everyone is happy"

Er...apart from the people whose jobs have been lost to a forriner.
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but if they lost their jobs to a more competitive native it would be okay?

or are you espousing a closed shop union thing?
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:02
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On a very crude level, there are 2.15 million EU migrant workers and 1.64 million unemployed (of which latter figure the vast majority will be UK citizens).

Even those who believe in World Government must allow for some sort of transition to avoid hurting the most vulnerable.
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:03
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Well, yeah. That's, like, the whole idea of a modern nation state.


SumoKing
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:01
but if they lost their jobs to a more competitive native it would be okay?
cockpit
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:04
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"countries that currently have no border controls at all"

Which are?
SumoKing
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:06
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great, so losing your job to a better candidate is not a problem, it's just forrins that are a problem

great, Dux

maybe this will shed some light on the stupidity

https://youtu.be/kxpf_bayjbQ?t=1m
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:07
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Svalbard, uniquely I think, has open borders, but that's a sub-national example.
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:10
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One has to question what the point of a nation state is if it's unable to protect its own citizens. Are you seriously espousing World Government? It's a laudable idea, but I thought that stuff went out with the Ark (or at least with the fall of Maoism).
Massive fuckwit
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:18
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Get rid of Common Entrance? It would be chaos and completely undermine the public school ethos of academic excellence.
Brad's big donger
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:19
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Ducks have you seen where Svalbard is?
Catherine Morland
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:22
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As long as they don't get rid of Australia's border controls.

Nothing to Declare is one of my trash TV faves
Used Psychology
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:44
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Are you saying state protection should be protection from competitive forces in employment?

Have you ever heard of globalisation by any chance 3-Ducks?

Also, presumably you want UK tariffs to prevent goods made with cheaper labour from coming in to the UK?
3-ducks
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:52
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I'm not necessarily saying I'm against World Government (or globalisation or whatever you want to call it), but we have nearly 200 years of Liberal Nationalism to dismantle first.
Used Psychology
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:56
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anyway.

It will all be moot soon enough:

Germany’s largest centre-left party says it would be prepared to let the country’s own short-term economic interests take a back seat and make the “unity of the European Union” a priority in the upcoming Brexit negotiations if it were to form part of the next government.

According to a draft resolution seen by the Guardian, Germany’s Social Democratic party (SPD) also insists that British membership of the single market should be tied to both accepting free movement of people and recognising the rulings of the European court of justice, stating that “without recognising this [the ECJ’s] final say a membership of the single market, especially in services, will not be possible”.

The draft resolution states that “disadvantages such as loss of foreign investment in UK or disruption of supply chains” should be seen as “one-off write-offs”, arguing the collapse of the EU and end of the single market “would be significantly larger in scale” and amount to “the end of the European peace order”.

According to the text, authored by the party’s deputy parliamentary leader, Axel Schäfer, “short-term interests of individual groups or member states, including Germany” should therefore “take a back seat” during the negotiations.

The Social Democrats’ positioning coincides with a survey indicating that German business remains relaxed about negative consequences of Britain leaving the union. According to a study by the Cologne Institute for Economic Research, more than nine out of 10 German firms do not expect strong effects from Brexit on their business activities in the near future.

The survey of 2,900 firms found that only a small share of 2-3% of companies believed Britain’s departure from the bloc of states would have strong negative consequences on their investment and employment. Meanwhile, a quarter of German firms expected to benefit from diversion of business activities away from the UK.

cockpit
Posted - 11 January 2017 17:14
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"As long as they don't get rid of Australia's border controls.

"Nothing to Declare is one of my trash TV faves"

Agreed!
T. Dan Smith
Posted - 12 January 2017 04:26
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I sort of agree with Ducks on this topic tbh
Cofferdam
Posted - 12 January 2017 05:57
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heh @ dux's frothing on this thread. It assumes that the world is falling over themselves to have brits grace them with their presence.