This liberal democracy thing is a con on the great British people.
Now I’m not going to say who is behind this con, but you all know who it is.
What this country really needs is a strong leader eh cryppers?
One who is not afraid to take decisions and if the biased courts and so called international community don’t like those decisions then who are they anyway in the face of the will of the British people (as interpreted by the aforementioned strong leader).
Only 600 council seats will be declared overnight, along with Blackpool South and three PCCs. The first mayoral results won’t start coming in until Friday lunchtime, and we could be waiting until late on Saturday for London and the all-important West Midlands. In the meantime expect all parties to seize on early results to build a narrative … or to say it’s too early to tell … or both. Choose your own adventure!
just voted. There were people arriving with their dogs. This indicates that the dogs are pets so I assume they were liberal / labour voting types as Tories only have "working" dogs.
Just voted and took my (rl) daughters along. When they asked my why I was voting for Sadiq I said I read in the DM he gave out free knives to poor young people.
Some of my more Right-wing m8s are doing the same in the absence of a Reform candid8. Apparently, the Tories have "gone woke". I can't say I've noticed it myself.
A tall young man, dressed well - everyone in the room knew I wasn’t voting for one of their touchy feely, bleeding heart parties, and they judged me for it.
A tall young man, dressed well - everyone in the room knew I wasn’t voting for one of their touchy feely, bleeding heart parties, and they judged me for it.
THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE AS WELL: AS SOON AS THE LEFTIES SEE THE ARMBAND YOU CAN JUST TELL THEY ARE JUDGING YOU!!
When I voted this evening I noticed a board outside the polling station showing the numbers if people who had voted. By 6pm the count stood at 425. I have no idea how many people my (central London) polling station covers, but that seems ridiculously low, surely?
My pet dog came with and insisted that one of the votes went to the Animal Welfare Party,which I duly obliged.
Local democracy in the UK is properly in crisis. Turnout in some deprived areas is expected to be below 20% maybe even below 15%. There is no political community organisation in these places anymore and frankly a lot of the time people don't feel safe campaigning.
My favourite Brita line.. "I thought you were vegan?".. "Yeah but I ate a hamburger last night and now I'm not cold anymore"
Watching a tory on Laura Kuensberg this morning saying this was most certainly not a referendum on Rishi's leadership... good god the gaslighting is unreal with these people
I suspect average turn-out vis-a-vis local elections in other countries is poor too.
I don't pretend to be a local govt expert but i think a material part of the problem is the lack of uniformity in local govt across the UK. we have a hotchpot system across the UK where virtually nobody understands how every system works in every area/region. If you had uniformity, I think that would encourage turn out, and you could have much simpler explainers on govt websites on how local govt works everywhere. Not a very sexy subject and nobody will be loved for fixing it so I doubt much will change.
i also like the idea of 1 member wards.
I also think metro mayors are a mistake. It just adds another layer of politicians and adds to widespread confusion about who is accountable for what.
also, a greater proportion of local spending needs to be collected from local taxes, otherwise you have infantilised local politics.
Of course i don't expect you - as a labour man - to agree with my last 2 points!
Central governments of all stripes have been mugging local government of real impact and power for decades now.
Restore debt-raising, bond-issuing power to municipal governments and put social housing back in the hands of councils, Give local councils greater power to raise and lower the tax burden (including a portion of income tax) on local people and more say in NHS services, which actually (despite “postcode lottery” BS) should be allowed to vary from place to place, as responsiveness to local demand is a good thing.
It's a vicious circle isn't it? They have no powers and no budget (and you have to do it for free), get blamed for the railways, actions of of private landlords, busses, utility cos etc. The only people who are going to do it are precisely ones who shouldn't.
Agree re simplification, go back to counties, get rid of unitary authorities, uniform mayors for cities above a certain size. Make it clear what local authorities do (and allow them to have different answers).
I still favour compulsory attendance at polling stations (but not compulsory voting)
The Sun political editor tweeted that she was ahead in NW London and there seem to be various other tweets based on this. Don't know how she knows this or how this would translate into a London-wide vote even if true.
The Conservatives have failed to get any candidate elected on Castle Point Council
Simon Dedman
BBC Essex political reporter
It had a Conservative majority for two decades up until 2022.
The authority will now be entirely filled with local independent party councillors.
The Canvey Island Independent Party (CIIP) was the largest party before these local elections and took control in 2022 with the support from the People’s Independent Party (PIP).
But now PIP have a majority they don’t necessarily need to continue to work with the CIIP.
13 Conservative candidates had their nominations annulled in this year’s local elections in the borough due to admin errors by the local tory party.
is it the postal votes? it wouldnt be surprising for conservatives to be doing well in those. I thought they weren't counting the main votes until tomorrow. it's just BS frankly. it might well be closer than was thought, as it was last time.
Sky News saying that Labour has not done well enough at the council elections and if this voting pattern repeats in the GE, they will be the largest party but not get a majority
Basically, the Tories are losing badly, but those votes are not going to Labour - they are going to Reform and others - so Labour has only raised its vote share from 33 to 35 percent.
Now in reality Labour probably will get a majority - either some kind of power sharing deal, or they'll pick up Scottish seats from the SNP (or a combination) etc, but it would be absolutely hilarious to see a hung Parliament after all the "Labour 450 seats" talk on here..
Yes really hilarious to see the country hobbled yet again by right wing nutters who’d kick everyone without a pasty face out on the next ferry to Calais
Tories have lost every single council seat here in Larkrise. The sort of place that has been Tory since the civil war (although with a few whiggish villages out west). Town all gone labour and the villages all Lib Dem
FF even as a Labour member I would to see no overall majority with a lib lab coalition forcing PR so the total shit show of the last few years can never ever happen again
The Libs are not going to get enough seats in an election to force anything guys (much less a fundamental change like PR).
If anything, Labour might have to do a deal with the *SNP* - I wonder how comfortable Starmer will be going down in history as the PM who lost Scotland after 4 centuries as the price for power...
I don’t think SKS should be celebrating too hard (maybe just a small korma). He couldn’t even manage to win the WM mayor and Harlow seems like a classic bellwether (although I don’t know the area). I think the talk on here of a “megamadge” is premature and the Tories will remain a sizeable force in opposition.
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I’d just not bother crypto.
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Absolutely correct.
This liberal democracy thing is a con on the great British people.
Now I’m not going to say who is behind this con, but you all know who it is.
What this country really needs is a strong leader eh cryppers?
One who is not afraid to take decisions and if the biased courts and so called international community don’t like those decisions then who are they anyway in the face of the will of the British people (as interpreted by the aforementioned strong leader).
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from politico on timings etc
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We need a proper right wing government
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just voted. There were people arriving with their dogs. This indicates that the dogs are pets so I assume they were liberal / labour voting types as Tories only have "working" dogs.
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Just voted and took my (rl) daughters along. When they asked my why I was voting for Sadiq I said I read in the DM he gave out free knives to poor young people.
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Some of my more Right-wing m8s are doing the same in the absence of a Reform candid8. Apparently, the Tories have "gone woke". I can't say I've noticed it myself.
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Nothing fights more than a cornered rat, but in the end it's going in the bin.
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The Tories are just shit.
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I do find it quite amusing that people are quite seriously saying that in the absence of quasi fascist racist thugs, they are not going to vote.
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I took my "working" dog to a polling station and didn't vote Tory.
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Is it possible that binface beats that Trump fan the tory scum put up?
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All three of my papers had Britain First on them. Wonder if that’s the case across the country.
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Three write ins from Barney?
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Barney02 May 24 15:17
All three of my papers had Britain First on them. Wonder if that’s the case across the country.
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are britain first still a thing?
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Didn't Jo Cox's killer shout that phrase before he murdered her? Terrible PR.
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I thought they were proscribed
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Has Mrs dux voted? 👀
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I have voted, and I didn’t spoil the ballot.
A tall young man, dressed well - everyone in the room knew I wasn’t voting for one of their touchy feely, bleeding heart parties, and they judged me for it.
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Clearly not. The BBC has done a profile on their mayoral candidate:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx8qxvr3y1ro#:~:text=Nick%20Scanlon%20is%20standing%20as,in%20the%20London%20mayoral%20elections.
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Looking ok for the Tories
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Turnout seems to have been fooking dismal here
(Central London metro elite ward with >65% Labour supporting electorate in almost every election for 20 plus years)
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THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE AS WELL: AS SOON AS THE LEFTIES SEE THE ARMBAND YOU CAN JUST TELL THEY ARE JUDGING YOU!!
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Reform are bossing it hard in Sunderland.
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These Reform chaps don't have much polish.
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Mark Butcher is terrible. All soundbites.
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When I voted this evening I noticed a board outside the polling station showing the numbers if people who had voted. By 6pm the count stood at 425. I have no idea how many people my (central London) polling station covers, but that seems ridiculously low, surely?
My pet dog came with and insisted that one of the votes went to the Animal Welfare Party,which I duly obliged.
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They don’t need policies they have hatred bigotry and a fanatical devotion to no hope
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Local democracy in the UK is properly in crisis. Turnout in some deprived areas is expected to be below 20% maybe even below 15%. There is no political community organisation in these places anymore and frankly a lot of the time people don't feel safe campaigning.
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Labour seeem to be doing as well as expected.
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Bring back community!
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6 seasons and a movie!
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Heh. Gillian Jacobs.
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Prime Miniature, do the decent thing….
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My favourite Brita line.. "I thought you were vegan?".. "Yeah but I ate a hamburger last night and now I'm not cold anymore"
Watching a tory on Laura Kuensberg this morning saying this was most certainly not a referendum on Rishi's leadership... good god the gaslighting is unreal with these people
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“Looking ok for the Tories”
er
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I’ll give the tories this, I am quite surprised they managed to retain Harlow, not natural tory country really, a fairly blue collar new town.
The swing midlands however is giving Dunak an absolute panning
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Midlands Tories jeez. Time to move back home south.
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donny, i agree UK local democracy is a problem.
turn-out in affluent areas is often also woeful.
I suspect average turn-out vis-a-vis local elections in other countries is poor too.
I don't pretend to be a local govt expert but i think a material part of the problem is the lack of uniformity in local govt across the UK. we have a hotchpot system across the UK where virtually nobody understands how every system works in every area/region. If you had uniformity, I think that would encourage turn out, and you could have much simpler explainers on govt websites on how local govt works everywhere. Not a very sexy subject and nobody will be loved for fixing it so I doubt much will change.
i also like the idea of 1 member wards.
I also think metro mayors are a mistake. It just adds another layer of politicians and adds to widespread confusion about who is accountable for what.
also, a greater proportion of local spending needs to be collected from local taxes, otherwise you have infantilised local politics.
Of course i don't expect you - as a labour man - to agree with my last 2 points!
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wokester, I've met harlow mp rob halfon a few times and i suspect harlow types relate to him. i think he's standing down though...
i also think Halfon fought and lost harlow a few times before becoming its mp and some people respect that kind of tenacity
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I was referring to the council really.
Central governments of all stripes have been mugging local government of real impact and power for decades now.
Restore debt-raising, bond-issuing power to municipal governments and put social housing back in the hands of councils, Give local councils greater power to raise and lower the tax burden (including a portion of income tax) on local people and more say in NHS services, which actually (despite “postcode lottery” BS) should be allowed to vary from place to place, as responsiveness to local demand is a good thing.
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Also re mayors I agree they are a bit confusing.
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Heh at the notion that the incompetent cretins of local councils should have more power. Have you ever been to a council meeting?!
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The Eye column is called Rotten Boroughs for a reason. And not just that one.
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woke, I was also talking about the council. obvs having a popular local mp who has worked the area for 20 + years helps in council elections.
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It's a vicious circle isn't it? They have no powers and no budget (and you have to do it for free), get blamed for the railways, actions of of private landlords, busses, utility cos etc. The only people who are going to do it are precisely ones who shouldn't.
Agree re simplification, go back to counties, get rid of unitary authorities, uniform mayors for cities above a certain size. Make it clear what local authorities do (and allow them to have different answers).
I still favour compulsory attendance at polling stations (but not compulsory voting)
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round mine the only election yesterday was for PCC, i would be absolutely fuming if they had compulsory attendance at polling stations for that shite
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Seriously, you’d fume about a short walk to the polling station and back?
I’m against compulsory voting but I don’t consider it a big deal either way
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they've started announcing winners for our council. so far about 300 votes is enough to get you elected
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There are some rumours that Hall has won on low turnout, although I find this difficult to believe.
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They said that about Shaun Bailey GG. Result was closer than Khan expected though.
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I think this is the point when someone makes a joke about the Tower Hamlets postal votes/ 3,000% turnout.
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There are some rumours that Hall has won on low turnout‘
Lol - are these rumours on Guido’s twitter feed?
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Or the Daily Express comments page?
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The Sun political editor tweeted that she was ahead in NW London and there seem to be various other tweets based on this. Don't know how she knows this or how this would translate into a London-wide vote even if true.
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Labour candidate David Skaith has won the York and North Yorkshire mayoral election.
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they don't count the london mayoral votes until tomorrow right? isn't any statement about someone being ahead or not just a total guess?
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The Conservatives have failed to get any candidate elected on Castle Point Council
Simon Dedman
BBC Essex political reporter
It had a Conservative majority for two decades up until 2022.
The authority will now be entirely filled with local independent party councillors.
The Canvey Island Independent Party (CIIP) was the largest party before these local elections and took control in 2022 with the support from the People’s Independent Party (PIP).
But now PIP have a majority they don’t necessarily need to continue to work with the CIIP.
13 Conservative candidates had their nominations annulled in this year’s local elections in the borough due to admin errors by the local tory party.
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@ pancakes the Sun pol ed must have some kind of basis for what she tweeted (no idea what). However, I'd be astonished if Khan doesn't take this.
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guess the parties must have been doing some informal exit polling...
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is it the postal votes? it wouldnt be surprising for conservatives to be doing well in those. I thought they weren't counting the main votes until tomorrow. it's just BS frankly. it might well be closer than was thought, as it was last time.
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Khan's going to win of course, but it would be hilarious if he got kicked out this year of all years and London elected a Tory mayor
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Tories held the teeside mayor. I guess that’s a rare glimmer of hope for them.
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LD hold here, tories lose one seat
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Sky News saying that Labour has not done well enough at the council elections and if this voting pattern repeats in the GE, they will be the largest party but not get a majority
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242
Basically, the Tories are losing badly, but those votes are not going to Labour - they are going to Reform and others - so Labour has only raised its vote share from 33 to 35 percent.
Now in reality Labour probably will get a majority - either some kind of power sharing deal, or they'll pick up Scottish seats from the SNP (or a combination) etc, but it would be absolutely hilarious to see a hung Parliament after all the "Labour 450 seats" talk on here..
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Yes really hilarious to see the country hobbled yet again by right wing nutters who’d kick everyone without a pasty face out on the next ferry to Calais
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If you look at the BBC results ticker there is a massive uptick for independents. You just won't see that in a GE imo.
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Currently the Lib Dems have won more council seats than the Tories heheheeheheheh
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This has been less than brilliant for labour, but totally catastrophic for the tozzas.
Big rumours that (((Khan))) has lost London based on borough turnout, but the actual count hasn't started yet so let's see.
Starmer might be in trouble tbf.
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Tories have lost every single council seat here in Larkrise. The sort of place that has been Tory since the civil war (although with a few whiggish villages out west). Town all gone labour and the villages all Lib Dem
They are going to get absolutely pasted in the GE
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but it would be absolutely hilarious to see a hung Parliament after all the "Labour 450 seats" talk on here..‘
What als be hilarious if Sir Beer has to buy off the Lib Dems
Wonder what he will offer them…
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Tuition fees go up to £90k per year
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FF even as a Labour member I would to see no overall majority with a lib lab coalition forcing PR so the total shit show of the last few years can never ever happen again
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Just a reminder that labour introduced tuition fees and then begin hiking then
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The libs will still be owned at thr GE as per ffs
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The Libs are not going to get enough seats in an election to force anything guys (much less a fundamental change like PR).
If anything, Labour might have to do a deal with the *SNP* - I wonder how comfortable Starmer will be going down in history as the PM who lost Scotland after 4 centuries as the price for power...
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Probably quite well everywhere but scotland
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Lol @ the SNP, almost as fvcked as the tories. Absolutely no chance
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Enjoying the desperation though
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LD take tunbridge
laz out celebrating at the golf club
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https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1786342428942680193?s=61&t=3lWj0RN-4doErPsmOpcvtg
PM2BPM
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I don’t think SKS should be celebrating too hard (maybe just a small korma). He couldn’t even manage to win the WM mayor and Harlow seems like a classic bellwether (although I don’t know the area). I think the talk on here of a “megamadge” is premature and the Tories will remain a sizeable force in opposition.
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Yes dear.
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Losses of 500+ for the Tories yet only 200 gained by Lab….
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Oxford has started to mobilise to get the councillors out who are incompetent in dealing with the day to day running of a city.
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Aged well from crypto.
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Lol @ the negger
Stay hydrated son
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Not one of my best.
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